First Lawsuit Defending the Amazon Golf Club, Iquitos Peru

by Captain Bill

First Lawsuit Defending the Amazon Golf Club, Iquitos Peru

I filed my first lawsuit in defense of the 50 dispossessed investors in the Amazon Golf Club on December 19, 2006. That lawsuit was filed against Gerald Mayeaux, George Ryan Richards, and Sergio Gustavo Barja Flores, charging them with conspiracy to commit fraud, and for having taken actions against the public interests. Several other lawsuits (denuncias) have also been filed, but let’s start with the first one.

Specifically it refers to the Extraordinary General Meeting of the Amazon Golf Club that was allegedly held at the Yellow Rose of Texas at 8 p.m., April 7, 2006. According to the minutes of the meeting there were 7 members present. I was not personally notified of the alleged meeting and neither were 50 other investors. There is good reason to believe that meeting did not take place in the way the Public Register shows. There is good reason to believe that the minutes of that meeting were falsified and signatures forged.

The Public Register shows that Gerald Mayeaux, as liquidator of the Amazon Golf Club, declared that when the Amazon Golf Club was dissolved it had zero assets. He produced a notarized form, declaring zero assets, signed by his long time personal and business accountant, Jose Manuel Panduro Flores.

The Amazon Golf Club had a golf course we all paid for to carve out of the jungle, a club house, a tractor mower, a push mower, machinery, an electrical transformer worth $7,000, 12 sets of golf clubs, a jeep, golfing equipment, and a bank balance. To declare zero assets is a fraud.

As liquidator of the assets of the Amazon Golf Club, Gerald Mayeaux donated the assets that he previously swore not to exist to the recently formed Amazon Golf and Country Club, and that club is still using those assets today.

I demanded, as is my right as the plaintiff, that the defendants present all of the pertinent original books, documentation, bank balances, and list of assets from before the dissolution of the Amazon Golf Club. Gerald Mayeaux, Ryan Richards, and Sergio Barja Flores were given 72 hours to present those documents to the Fiscal. They have been in contempt of court for over 6 months for failing to produce the evidence that could prove their innocence or their guilt

As Liquidator, Gerald Mayeaux swore to keep in his possession all of the original books, documentation, bank balances, and records of the assets up to the dissolution of the Amazon Golf Club, for as long as Peruvian law requires. Now he says they are lost.

Those are the books, documents, bank balances, and records that could prove Ryan Richards, Sergio Barja Flores, and Gerald Mayeaux are innocent, if in fact they are. Of course those are the books, documents, bank balances, and records that could prove Ryan Richards, Sergio Barja Flores, and Gerald Mayeaux are guilty, if in fact they are.

Gerald Mayeaux, Ryan Richards, and Sergio Barja Flores hardly bother to defend themselves. Their defense is that they were saving the club from Mike and that it is none of my business. That I was never a member of the Amazon Golf Club. They claim there were never 60 members, only 7. They claim only the 7 officers of the board of directors that are listed in the Public Register are members. One of the books that Gerald Mayeaux swore to keep in his possession, but has “lost”, contains the list of all of the 60 investor/members, how much they paid for their shares, the date they joined and the number of their membership.

I know that some of you have been reluctant to get involved with the Golf War because you are not sure of all the facts. Here is one fact that I think we can all agree on. Bill Grimes is a member of the original Amazon Golf Club. Please make a comment below telling whether you think I am a member or not. As strange as this may sound, it could make a big difference. If I am a member then there are 60 members, as it should be. If I am not a member then there are only 7 members. That would clearly disregard the INTENT of Peruvian law, but we should not leave that to chance.

Scan a copy of your membership certificate and email that copy to either Mike or me, with a sentence stating how much you paid for your membership and please make a statement, either that Bill Grimes is or is not a member.

Thanks and best regards,
Bill

First Lawsuit Defending the Amazon Golf Club, Iquitos Peru

Bill Grimes,  Welcome to Iquitos Peru,   Dawn on the Amazon Tours and Cruises

{ 392 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Carsten Korch July 12, 2007 at 12:41 pm

Dear Bill

I say that you are a member and will forward my membership certificate to prove that also I paid and is a member of the Amazon Golf Club founded by Michael Collis.

You are doing the right thing, for which I’m thankful, and those who are guilty of destroying our dream and stealing our golf course in Iquitos should be brought to justice and be punished for their actions.

It’s a petty to see how greed among friends turned into this and that is hasn’t been able to solve peacefully.

Always remember – what comes around goes around.

CK

2 Brian and Natalia July 12, 2007 at 1:25 pm

Bill,

I thought you were member #1! If not #1, certainly a member none-the-less. I just sent our certificates and Western Union receipts of that were payments to Mike.

I really hope this works out our way. Too many people have done too much not for this to turn out correctly. Let’s keep our faith in the legal system, however slow it may be!

Brian

3 steve mcalear July 12, 2007 at 2:50 pm

Dear Bill,
Of course you are a member,I talked many times with you, Mike and ossacionally Adam Andrews about thee progress and hopes for the Amazon golf club.I have my membership certificate which was presented to me in the presence of Adam Andrews and Sergio I believe, plus six other witnesses of three nationalities. I have the photos of all those present. All that may only confirm that there was at least something existed and that someone is trying to steal, but it also proves the implicity or involvement one way or another of all those present at the ceremony and all similar ceremonies that took place. All those in the photos will need to explain before the courts what they thought was going on at the ceremonies if there were never more than 7 members.

4 Melvin Lawrence July 12, 2007 at 7:25 pm

I am Melvin Lawrence from Birmingham, England. I am a Founder Member , in fact I bought 2 shares. I am not a golfer but I have been to Iquitos twice and stayed with my friend Mike. What a great idea he had. I joined up straight away and was so proud to be a founder of the first golf club in the Amazon.
I met Gerald while I was there , in fact me and Mike went fishing with him for 7 days and had a great time. What a pity it is to see the problems there now.
Nobody who bought Founder Memberships should be excluded. I support Mike, I don’t know Bill but he sounds like a really good guy.

I pursuaded my other friend Steve Hudson to buy a share also , he does not use the internet but agrees
with me that the benefits of investors should be restored under the same terms that Mike set them out to be.

5 dave sheridan July 13, 2007 at 7:57 am

Even in a conversation I had with Gerald before all the crap hit the fan we (Gerald and I) talked about Mike’s idea and Bill being the first member. But what the hell. That was before greed or whatever took over. Anyone who denies that Bill was member number one doesn’t know the history of the club or has obvious motives.

6 Alan Shoemaker July 13, 2007 at 9:26 am

I am with that opinion as well. NO ONE should be excluded. We’ve had arguments… my children have them all the time, knock down and drag out but they get over it. That’s what they are, just arguments. Everyone needs to stop taking things so personally.
Everyone that paid should be a member, regardless. The end. Period.
Then let by gones be by gones.

7 David Volkmann July 13, 2007 at 11:35 am

Am I correct that the ownership of the “golf course” not the real estate is owned now by 3 or 4 people? The constitution that I read on the blog says 15 people own a golf club which assets consist of a lawnmower. No golf course is mentioned. A year and a half ago the golf course and golf club was owned by all the investers. Correct? Maybe Alan can answer this best.

8 David Volkmann July 13, 2007 at 12:52 pm

Who is asking the stupid question if Bill Grimes is a member of the Amazon Golf Club? Of course he is a member. He not only is a member but the first member. You can ask both his friends and enemies that question and they would all say a positive YES. He built one of the greens I believe with his own money and I think he made contributions to the club and there tournaments. Photos, ect.

9 Jason Robards III July 14, 2007 at 7:58 am

Bill, You are member #1. I will send a copy of my membership certificate (#36) down to you when I retiurn to NYC.
J

10 John Zeller July 14, 2007 at 10:22 am

Hi Bill,

You were the first member of the Amazon Golf Club, forking out your boodle within seconds of Mike´s sudden inspired announcement that there should be a golf course in the Amazon.
I have my framed membership certificate (No.14) but I can´t produce it at this time.As soon as I locate it You will have it.

Thank you, Bill.

Cheers,
John Zeller.

11 Mike Collis July 14, 2007 at 10:30 am

Hello,
I am Mike Collis the person who some would say was stupid enough to want to construct a golf course here in the Peruvian Amazon.
History cannot be changed no matter what. IT WAS BILL GRIMES WHO WAS THE FIRST FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE AMAZON GOLF CLUB: were it not for him there would not be a golf course here, its a fact, its history.
For those not familiar with the history of the Amazon Golf Club please click on this and read “The History of the Amazon Golf Club” written in part by Leo Jones.
http://www.iquitostimes.com/agc-history.htm
Mike Collis

12 Bill Tolia July 14, 2007 at 11:56 am

When my friend Mike Collis first approached me sometime in 2003 to join the Amazon Golf Club I thought it was a great idea and that someday it would help the people of Iquitos. Needless to say, I am saddened to hear what has happened to the club. I would like to go on record and say that Bill Grimes is a member. Also, I paid $500 for my membership and as soon as I locate it, I will scan it and email it to Mike.

God Bless,

Bill Tolia

13 Harry Kelley July 16, 2007 at 2:55 pm

I have given my money to become a member of the golf club, I am told that I am a member of the golf club and I expect to be a member of the golf club, because I paid for a membership however I have no certification given to me as of the time I am writing this. This much I can say, “I am more sure of Bill Grimes being a member than I am of me being one!” I know that Bill was one of the first, if not the first person to become a member and it was months later that I decided to become one.

Harry Kelley

14 alan shoemaker July 25, 2007 at 7:16 pm

Bill G. was number 1. Fact. No question about it. History. Period.

15 alan shoemaker July 25, 2007 at 7:18 pm

oops… Bill G. IS member number 1. Not WAS member no. 1.

16 Anthony Giardenelli July 29, 2007 at 10:30 am

You guys really need another hobby…

17 alan shoemaker September 22, 2007 at 8:32 pm

I’m afraid it’s too late for this tactic.

18 alan shoemaker September 22, 2007 at 8:44 pm

On Sept. 28th, I think the case of Grimes vs. Mayeaux comes up. this is the case where Grimes declares that he sues Mayeaux because he can’t make 50 thousand (or whatever) from his investment, buying into the club that MMike assured him of.
And, if I’m not mistaken, on the 29th the case of the acutal club, i.e. Ryan’s land, comes up. I think I should video this for everyone.
Because, as you know from what Grimes said: He never sued anyone.
And as you know, Ryan has lived on this property for almost 25 years. Proofs in the pudding.
Now…in just a few days… we can all get back to playing golf. But, can you get back to where you were to begin with? My children have tremendous fights and 5 minutes later they are laughing and playing. That’s natural. Can you too be this way?
And I know the answer to this already.
Such a shame, all of you.

19 Bill September 22, 2007 at 9:14 pm

I think you should video the trial also. You are going to look sooooo stupid when you learn the truth.

20 alan shoemaker September 23, 2007 at 11:23 pm

I’ll be there. Put it on YouTube too. LOL Let the cards fall where they may senor.

21 alan shoemaker September 23, 2007 at 11:23 pm

I’ll be there. Put it on YouTube too. LOL Let the cards fall where they may senor and really, I don’t have a problem looking stupid, do you?

22 anon September 27, 2007 at 1:42 pm

Hmm. its obvious you dont mind looking stupid!!!!
senor is spelled like this señor. It all makes sense, because mongoloids dont mind looking stupid

23 Bill September 27, 2007 at 9:31 pm

Today gerald mayeaux committed perjury again. He declared to the judge that I was never a member of the Amazon Golf Club. Why would he do that? Everyone knows I am a member except possibly the judge. Do you think the judge will take his word for it?

24 Bill September 27, 2007 at 10:19 pm

Hi Alan,

Here is what you said in #429 of Highlights from 150 Comments, “And let’s clear up another matter, maybe:
Is it true that Bill Grimes sued Gerald for 50,000 Soles, claiming that because of Gerald’s actions he then would not be able to sell shares, which were worth 50,000 Soles? What’s that all about? Bill?”

I replied in #430, “No Alan that is not true. I am amazed that you can be mistaken so often and still feel confident to continue making proclamations as if you are the one that knows everything. Why do you continue to listen to mayeaux? He is making you look like a fool.”

Ever since then you have been implying it was me that did not tell the truth. I have been waiting until the trial to set the record straight. First, the amount is wrong. Second, my denuncia has nothing to do with being able to sell shares for any amount. It has everything to do with whether I am a member or not, and ultimately whether there are 60 investors or only 7 as mayeaux has claimed.

What? mayeaux did not tell you my denuncia was about whether or not I am a member of the Amazon Golf Club? I don’t blame him. Even you would not agree with that. In fact, the first 17 comments on this post were translated and added to the evidence of the trial, including your comments # 16 and # 17 agreeing that I am member.

Even in the unlikely event the judge rules against me, we all know that I told the truth and mayeaux lied.

25 Bill October 19, 2007 at 9:41 pm

A few days ago I testified in the first law suit defending the Amazon Golf Club described in the post these comments are attached to. It went very well. I have respect for the way the Peruvian legal system has handled this case, and confidence that justice will be served. I would like to share all of the details here but I think it is better to wait until the defense testifies to give them their fair chance to hang themselves.

I have learned of other related developments that I plan to address here on this blog the first of next week. I am sure those of you that have followed these proceedings will find them very interesting.

26 Bill October 24, 2007 at 7:28 pm

This morning I went with the judge, two of her assistance, a fiscal, two police, my lawyer, Mike Collis, and his lawyer to the golf club. The judge was very meticulous about having her assistant write down every detail, and I do believe she was impressed with the physical club and course. She knew nothing about golf, or golf courses. She had no idea what to expect, or how much work had been done, or the potential value. Now she knows.

She was completely professional. My lawyer and I met her at her office at 8:30 AM, and we did not leave the club until around 12:30 PM. She knows I am a member, and therefore that there were 60 members. I believe the Amazon Golf Club will be even more of a topic of discussion among the legal profession of Iquitos, than it already has been, if that is possible.

James Bruner, the president of the club when it was dissolved, Sergio, the golf pro, mayeaux and Richards were supposed to be there to tell their side to the judge. They did not show up. It is hard for me to see how that was smart, but I assume they must have been following the advise of a lawyer.

Richards apparently thought the inspection would only last an hour or two. He arrived at the Amazon Golf Club while we were still there. The judge sent a policeman to ask him to tour the grounds with us or to make a statement. He said no, and left immediately.

I was very sad to see the golf course and think how wonderful it might have been if we had all pulled together and those “lying, cheating, defrauding, stealing, pricks” had not been greedy.

It still has potential to be wonderful. The shame is it already could be wonderful. I want to give Shawn a lot of credit, the part of the course that he personally supervised and paid for are the best part of the course, and he should be very proud.

Just a little closing note to all of the golf playing members. This is just me talking and others may disagree. You all went right along with this fraud and allowed it to happen. Most of you had to know it was morally wrong, and if you did not know right away that it was immoral, you must have suspected it eventually. Personally, I am willing to grant amnesty to most of you that did not directly participate in the crime. You know who you are and I know who you are. I am asking you to return all of our stolen property. You know who has it and where it is. Keep the stolen property and don’t play golf. Return the stolen property and play golf. That seems like a simple choice.

27 Bill November 15, 2007 at 1:07 pm

This comment is to Alan Shoemaker; I want you to know that I am finished being Mr. Nice Guy. Anything you say that is not true, I will attack you.

28 alan shoemaker November 15, 2007 at 10:00 pm

Bill, all I do is report what is told to me. If there is not a lawsuit as I wrote, then you tell us there is not and so I believe that.
Seems there’s so many lawsuits flying around right now and looks like more are coming from Auckoo too. That IP address is being traced, the provider will give up the name and they will be at it too. Why would anyone do this to him?

29 alan shoemaker November 15, 2007 at 10:02 pm

Why Me Lord?
What have I ever done to deserve even one,
Of the pleasures I’ve known.
Tell Me Lord,
What did I ever do that was worth loving you
For the kindness you’ve shown?
Lord help me Jesus I’ve wasted it so,
Help me Jesus, I know what I am.
But now that I know that I’ve needed you so
Help me Jesus, my soul’s in your hands.
Try me Lord,
If you think there’s a way I can try to repay
All I’ve taken from you.
Maybe Lord
I can show someone else
What I’ve been through myself
On my way back to you.
Lord help me Jesus I’ve wasted it so,
Help me Jesus, I know what I am.
But now that I know that I’ve needed you so
Help me Jesus, my soul’s in your hands.
Help me Jesus, my soul’s in your hands.

30 alan shoemaker November 15, 2007 at 10:50 pm

Sleigh bells ring
Are you listening
In the lane
Snow is glistening
A beautiful sight
We’re happy tonight
Walking in a winter wonderland
Gone away is the bluebird
Here to stay is a new bird
He sings a love song
As we go along
Walking in a winter wonderland
In the meadow we can build a snowman
Then pretend he is Parson Brown
He’ll say: Are you married?
We’ll say: No man
But you can do the job
When you’re in town
Later on
We’ll conspire
As we dream by the fire
To face unafraid
The plans that we’ve made
Walking in a winter wonderland
Winter wonderland
In the meadow we can build a snowman
And pretend that he’s a circus clown
We’ll have lots of fun with mister snowman
Until the other kiddies knock him down
When it snows
Ain’t it thrilling
Though your nose gets a chilling
We’ll frolic and play
The Eskimo way
Walking in a winter wonderland
Yeah we’re walking in a winter
Yeah we’re walking in a winter
We’re walking in a winter wonderland
Wonderland
Winter wonderland

31 Mark November 16, 2007 at 5:29 am

Alan, back away from the drugs….back away from the ayahuasca.. you are consuming way too much.

32 alan shoemaker November 16, 2007 at 10:25 am

Our children have been begging us to put the Xmas tree up and so I’m doing so.
Peace to Everyone and hopefully we can all have a happy Holy season. And now, just one more
tune which is perfect for all of us right now. Go ahead and sing along if you will:
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
and never brought to mind ?
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
and auld lang syne ?

CHORUS:
For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
we’ll take a cup o’ kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.
And surely ye’ll be your pint-stoup !
And surely I’ll be mine !
And we’ll take a cup o’ kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.

CHORUS
We twa hae run about the braes,
and pou’d the gowans fine ;
But we’ve wander’d mony a weary fit,
sin’ auld lang syne.

CHORUS
We twa hae paidl’d in the burn,
frae morning sun till dine ;
But seas between us braid hae roar’d
sin’ auld lang syne.

CHORUS
And there’s a hand, my trusty fiere !
And gies a hand o’ thine !
And we’ll tak a right gude-willie-waught,
for auld lang syne.

CHORUS

33 anon November 16, 2007 at 5:51 pm

Alan, you are sick. I live it. Mabey in a differnt life we might have been good freinds…. But than again…. I dont like hanging out with people who are more crazy than me….
silent night
holy night
all is calm,
all is bright!!!!!!!!!!!!

34 Bill November 16, 2007 at 6:45 pm

Hi Alan,

There is nothing to attack in your latest comments so that is an improvement. At first glance I thought you posted some spam, but I guess you are just getting in the Christmas spirit, so that is nice.

Yes there are lots of lawsuits flying around. The one I am most interested in right now is the one mentioned in the post these comments are attached to. Do you think it is suspicious that neither mayeaux, andrews, sergio nor anyone else knows the location of the documents and books about the Amazon Golf Club in the days before it was disolved. Those are the very documents and records that could prove no one is guilty and this is all an innocent misunderstanding, like you claim.

35 alan shoemaker November 16, 2007 at 7:46 pm

Bill, I don’t know about those books, wasn’t privy to this at all. If those books could make everyone innocent, then they should be found. Where are they? I really don’t know, wish I did. What I speak on here is what I believe to be the truth, sometimes wrong as no doubt I sometimes get confused information, but I pass that on as well.
There was to be a decision issued today but apparently it didn’t happen. So, what is actually happening is anyone’s best guess.
Anon, I am very sorry for your affliction, being sick is a real pain in the ass. Been there, done that. BUT, got over it. So why don’t you too? If you need help, consultations with me are cheap, but effective.

What an incredibly beautiful golf course, so many man hours of labor… I really can not belive that this will come to nothing. No doubt the judges will decide the same. As I still see it? Everyone that paid dues to be a member should be a member. Period.

36 Bill November 16, 2007 at 8:21 pm

The answers are in those books. If they are innocent they would produce those documents, books, bank statements, and records to the court, and this would all be over. Go right up to them and demand to see them for your self. Then let us know what they say.

37 Mark November 17, 2007 at 8:15 am

Alan,
we do appreciate your help here. even though at times we are getting on you it is for info. We know that this info is coming from the “the towns liar” because he or ryan has no huevos to talk here themselves. I believe Bil and Mike over frick and frack anyday. sorry , but I have listened to many lies from frick in the past. Did you ever get the cups back or the hole cutter for them? I doubt that they were returned but I have to ask again. I am trying to get some cups befroe I come down there soon.

38 dave sheridan November 21, 2007 at 5:54 pm

I assume most of you know my denuncia/process/lawsuit against Gerald and the gang in behalf of all dienfranchised original members is proceeding. I just returned from Iquitos where I gave my testimony. Next week Gerald and his crew along with a few others are due to also testify. If anyone one of you cares to interject let me know.

39 dave sheridan November 21, 2007 at 5:57 pm

Anyone care to make a wager regarding any perjury next week???? AHEM

40 mike collis November 22, 2007 at 12:12 pm

Dave, On Tuesday (20th) Ryan Richards and Sergio Bargas were due in court to testify in your case.
Yesterday (21st) Pamela , Llens Brunner,Leo Jones and Adam Andrews were due to testify also.

None of them turned up, and this was the 3rd time they have been called and were “no shows”.

I call this “Contempt of Court”.

But there again, they don’t want to testify because if they tell the truth they are in trouble and if they tell a lie they will be in even deeper shit, because they all have different stories.
They are all stuck between a rock and a hard thing.

41 alan shoemaker November 27, 2007 at 11:12 pm

We must be the change we wish to see.

I don’t know who wrote that, but it is. Pay attention.

42 David Volkmann November 28, 2007 at 8:32 pm

Alan,
What are you talking about?

43 Bill November 28, 2007 at 9:45 pm

Did you give mayeaux the same advise this morning?

44 alan shoemaker November 30, 2007 at 10:19 pm

I don’t advise anyone.
I really just want to play golf with everybody, real simpleton I am.

45 Mark December 1, 2007 at 6:22 am

Hey Alan
I will play golf with you, oh by the way do you think gerald will let me use his clubs because he will not need them where he is going

46 alan shoemaker December 13, 2007 at 7:55 pm

In case you are getting sleepy, thought everyone might like to read this:

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How and Why We Lie to Ourselves: Cognitive Dissonance

[Photo by Darwin Bell]
A classic 1959 social psychology experiment demonstrates how and why we lie to ourselves. Understanding this experiment sheds a brilliant light on the dark world of our inner motivations.

The ground-breaking social psychological experiment of Festinger and Carlsmith (1959) provides a central insight into the stories we tell ourselves about why we think and behave the way we do. The experiment is filled with ingenious deception so the best way to understand it is to imagine you are taking part. So sit back, relax and travel back. The time is 1959 and you are an undergraduate student at Stanford University…

As part of your course you agree to take part in an experiment on ‘measures of performance’. You are told the experiment will take two hours. As you are required to act as an experimental subject for a certain number of hours in a year – this will be two more of them out of the way.

Little do you know, the experiment will actually become a classic in social psychology. And what will seem to you like accidents by the experimenters are all part of a carefully controlled deception. For now though, you are innocent.

The set-up

Once in the lab you are told the experiment is about how your expectations affect the actual experience of a task. Apparently there are two groups and in the other group they have been given a particular expectation about the study. To instil the expectation subtly, the participants in the other groups are informally briefed by a student who has apparently just completed the task. In your group, though, you’ll do the task with no expectations.

Perhaps you wonder why you’re being told all this, but nevertheless it makes it seem a bit more exciting now that you know some of the mechanics behind the experiment.

So you settle down to the first task you are given, and quickly realise it is extremely boring. You are asked to move some spools around in a box for half an hour, then for the next half an hour you move pegs around a board. Frankly, watching paint dry would have been preferable.

At the end of the tasks the experimenter thanks you for taking part, then tells you that many other people find the task pretty interesting. This is a little confusing – the task was very boring. Whatever. You let it pass.

Experimental slip-up

Then the experimenter looks a little embarrassed and starts to explain haltingly that there’s been a cock-up. He says they need your help. The participant coming in after you is in the other condition they mentioned before you did the task – the condition in which they have an expectation before carrying out the task. This expectation is that the task is actually really interesting. Unfortunately the person who usually sets up their expectation hasn’t turned up.

So, they ask if you wouldn’t mind doing it. Not only that but they offer to pay you $1. Because it’s 1959 and you’re a student this is not completely insignificant for only a few minutes work. And, they tell you that they can use you again in the future. It sounds like easy money so you agree to take part. This is great – what started out as a simple fulfilment of a course component has unearthed a little ready cash for you.

You are quickly introduced to the next participant who is about to do the same task you just completed. As instructed you tell her that the task she’s about to do is really interesting. She smiles, thanks you and disappears off into the test room. You feel a pang of regret for getting her hopes up. Then the experimenter returns, thanks you again, and once again tells you that many people enjoy the task and hopes you found it interesting.

Then you are ushered through to another room where you are interviewed about the experiment you’ve just done. One of the questions asks you about how interesting the task was that you were given to do. This makes you pause for a minute and think.

Now it seems to you that the task wasn’t as boring as you first thought. You start to see how even the repetitive movements of the spools and pegs had a certain symmetrical beauty. And it was all in the name of science after all. This was a worthwhile endeavour and you hope the experimenters get some interesting results out of it.

The task still couldn’t be classified as great fun, but perhaps it wasn’t that bad. You figure that, on reflection, it wasn’t as bad as you first thought. You rate it moderately interesting.

After the experiment you go and talk to your friend who was also doing the experiment. Comparing notes you found that your experiences were almost identical except for one vital difference. She was offered way more than you to brief the next student: $20! This is when it first occurs to you that there’s been some trickery at work here.

You ask her about the task with the spools and pegs:

“Oh,” she replies. “That was sooooo boring, I gave it the lowest rating possible.”

“No,” you insist. “It wasn’t that bad. Actually when you think about it, it was pretty interesting.”

She looks at you incredulously.

What the hell is going on?

Cognitive dissonance

What you’ve just experienced is the power of cognitive dissonance. Social psychologists studying cognitive dissonance are interested in the way we deal with two thoughts that contradict each other – and how we deal with this contradiction.

In this case: you thought the task was boring to start off with then you were paid to tell someone else the task was interesting. But, you’re not the kind of person to casually go around lying to people. So how can you resolve your view of yourself as an honest person with lying to the next participant? The amount of money you were paid hardly salves your conscience – it was nice but not that nice.

Your mind resolves this conundrum by deciding that actually the study was pretty interesting after all. You are helped to this conclusion by the experimenter who tells you other people also thought the study was pretty interesting.

Your friend, meanwhile, has no need of these mental machinations. She merely thinks to herself: I’ve been paid $20 to lie, that’s a small fortune for a student like me, and more than justifies my fibbing. The task was boring and still is boring whatever the experimenter tells me.

A beautiful theory

Since this experiment numerous studies of cognitive dissonance have been carried out and the effect is well-established. Its beauty is that it explains so many of our everyday behaviours. Here are some examples provided by Morton Hunt in his classic work ‘The Story of Psychology’:

When trying to join a group, the harder they make the barriers to entry, the more you value your membership. To resolve the dissonance between the hoops you were forced to jump through, and the reality of what turns out to be a pretty average club, we convince ourselves the club is, in fact, fantastic.
People will interpret the same information in radically different ways to support their own views of the world. When deciding our view on a contentious point, we conveniently forget what jars with our own theory and remember everything that fits.
People quickly adjust their values to fit their behaviour, even when it is clearly immoral. Those stealing from their employer will claim that “Everyone does it” so they would be losing out if they didn’t, or alternatively that “I’m underpaid so I deserve a little extra on the side.”

Once you start to think about it, the list of situations in which people resolve cognitive dissonance through rationalisations becomes ever longer and longer. If you’re honest with yourself, I’m sure you can think of many times when you’ve done it yourself. I know I can.

Being aware of this can help us avoid falling foul of the most dangerous consequences of cognitive dissonance: believing our own lies.

47 Mark December 14, 2007 at 5:35 am

What are down to copying things from a book or article now to explain what it is that you , gerald, ryan and the other thieves. who knows maybe this is the story of Allibaba and the 40 thieves here in person now. tell us that story will you

48 Bill December 14, 2007 at 4:03 pm

I just sent Alan’s last comment to spam where it belongs. It felt good to take that action. I should have done that many times before.

49 alan shoemaker December 16, 2007 at 8:59 pm

oh… so you only let items you approve of on this blog? Shame on you Captain Bill, or would it be more likely to call you Captain
Kangaroo? I thought that censorship was a bit below you CK. Obviously not. so tell us, why was my post sent to spam? Did it bother you?

50 Bill December 16, 2007 at 9:54 pm

I just moved Alan’s comment, # 48 out of the spam folder, and into this discussion. Let’s take a vote. Is it spam? If it reads like spam, sounds like spam, smells like spam, what should we do with it? Alan, I think even you would vote spam on your own comment. Is that the best you got?

51 jim December 17, 2007 at 9:17 am

I thought it was an entertaining comment. I was entertained. But it was wordy and it was spam. I assume it loops around a long road to lead the reader to the point that one group (the other group) is using cognitive dissonance to support their position in the golf war, but it doesn’t actually say that and that doesn’t mean it isn’t spam. And, it’s Bill’s blog, who else would have approval rights? Because he’s trying to be open about comments doesn’t mean he wants to see War and Peace taking up his bandwidth.

52 Mark December 17, 2007 at 10:00 am

SPAM, SPAM and more SPAM……He is just trying to convince peoplethat even though he is teaming with allibaba, that he can read and copy from books to make it seem like he has intelligance living in his head. But we know differant because of who he always repeats. “allibaba”

53 Mike Collis December 17, 2007 at 11:01 am

Why did alan waste his time on that. It is spam. I read about 8 lines and the skipped down to the next comment.

Leave it on Bill, no one will read it.

54 David Volkmann December 17, 2007 at 6:51 pm

Alan I just read your comment 48. I hope they leave you out of the hospital to be with your family on Christmas. They won’t make you wear a strait jacket or such, will they? I didn’t realize the condition had gotten that serious.

55 alan shoemaker December 18, 2007 at 8:02 pm

Happy to see the group is still alive actually… it’s been so damned quiet here lately.. I posted that just to wake everyone up.
Volkmann has been out for the count for too long. Mark, where the hell have you been? Nice to see you back and slapping me again. Bill, this apparently woke you up too.. so I did good.
Now, scuttlebutt has it that the decison has already been issued or made but because of the case load the judges have not had time to write it up. What is that decision? hahahahahahhahah I told you already, remember?

56 Bill December 19, 2007 at 9:33 am

Not again Alan? This makes the third or fourth time you have made a comment like this and been completely wrong. Why don’t you just sit back like the rest of us, to wait and see what happens? Your sources have been consistently wrong,… about everything.

57 Mark December 25, 2007 at 7:53 am

“MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE OUT THERE EVEN THE ALLIBABA (GERALD) AND THE THIEVES
🙂

58 alan shoemaker December 25, 2007 at 9:53 pm

People tend to take sides, that’s just what they do. There is/was no real reason to do so, it just happens. I tried not to, tried to just lay it out as it was, as I saw it. But by doing so, people then put me on a side too. I didn’t like that, still don’t. All I have ever told you here on this blog is the truth as I know it. And now, the truth appears to be this:

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the King’s horses and all the King’s men,
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.

59 Mark December 27, 2007 at 5:27 am

Alan ,
you put yourself on a side by agreeing with allibaba…..

60 alan shoemaker December 28, 2007 at 4:24 pm

It’s done now. I saw the paperwork. The land goes back to Ryan.

61 Bill December 28, 2007 at 8:28 pm

It’s not done now. I haven’t seen any document. Even if there is some document it won’t be legal. Happy Holidays!

62 alan shoemaker December 28, 2007 at 11:27 pm

Oh yes Bill, it is finished now.
Talk to your attorney and everyone else, stop sending money here for this lost cause. As I always told you, Ryan has been living there for almost 30 years. To believe anything else? Wake up.
It’s done, over, finished. Three superior court judges signed it already. Forget it. Somebody sold you. You bought it. Over.

Here is how this works:

Dunning-Kruger effect · Psychology
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The Dunning-Kruger effect is the phenomenon wherein people who have little knowledge think that they know more than others who have much more knowledge.

The phenomenon was demonstrated in a series of experiments performed by Justin Kruger and David Dunning, then both of Cornell University. Their results were published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology in December 1999.[1]

Kruger and Dunning noted a number of previous studies which tend to suggest that in skills as diverse as reading comprehension, operating a motor vehicle, and playing chess or tennis, “ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge” (as Charles Darwin put it). They hypothesized that with a typical skill which humans may possess in greater or lesser degree,

Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of skill.
Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in others.
Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy.
If they can be trained to substantially improve their own skill level, these individuals can recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill.
They set out to test these hypotheses on human subjects consisting of Cornell undergraduates who were registered in various psychology courses.

In a series of studies, Kruger and Dunning examined self-assessment of logical reasoning skills, grammatical skills, and humor. After being shown their test scores, the subjects were again asked to estimate their own rank, whereupon the competent group accurately estimated their rank, while the incompetent group still overestimated their own rank. As Dunning and Kruger noted,

“ Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. ”

Meanwhile, people with true knowledge tended to underestimate their competence.

A followup study suggests that grossly incompetent students improve both their skill level and their ability to estimate their class rank only after extensive tutoring in the skills they had previously lacked.

Daniel Ames and Lara Kammrath extended this work to sensitivity to others, and the subjects’ perception of how sensitive they were.[2]

Some more work by Burson Larrick and Joshua Klayman[3] has suggested that the effect is not so obvious and may be due to noise and bias levels.

Dunning and Kruger won the 2000 Ig Nobel prize for their work.[4]

Shortly we will get back to playing golf. Unfortunately, the course is a mess and Mike will have to get it in order so that he and his cronies can give it back to Ryan in the condition in which it was taken. That’s going to be costly as the course has not been maintained. Mike will be held responsible for this. I don’t know what this will cost, but it won’t be cheap.
The grass has grown so high that the mower won’t be able to cut it, so the first thing to do is have several men hacking away with machetes, then with the riding mower. The greens are another problem but will be dealt with as well. Should take between two and three weeks.

Bill, I believe your attorney was issued the document this afternoon, perhaps for some reason he did not want to show it to you or perhaps you are not ready to discuss this now, I don’t know.

Most importantly is to get back to the golf; Golf is what this course was built for, and it was built for golfers, not people that say they don’t play golf and don’t like golfers. Join the Tennis Club, they’ll accept you… maybe, maybe not after this embarassing fiasco..

And in the end, I am always amazed that this blog began. No one was ever stealing the golf course. How can you do that? Where are you doing to put it? Ryan has been living there for almost 30 years. The only conspiracy that I see are people trying to convince others that some group was trying to do this. And those people don’t even play golf. That never happened to my knowledge, and if it was going to happen I would have told everyone about it immediately. It just was not so. So… how much money did you send to finance this idea? I guess that’s the real point isn’t it? Many have already stated that they did so and others no doubt sent funds too because you were convinced that if you did not, there would be no golf course for you. And now, where are those funds? Just keeps getting more interesting, right?

I want to thank all those that held to my statements from months ago. You have been vindicated. For those others that slammed ryan and others? I wish you had listened to me.

And Bill Grimes? Yes, the document is legal. It is over senor.

63 Mark December 29, 2007 at 10:10 am

Well Alan If it is true then they had paid some judges off so it probably cost allibaba and some of the thieves plenty from loosing this deal and going to jail.
and how many times have you and shawn said this befroe “it is nit over it is just starting
now I suppose the thieves will bring the items back that were stolen ..
you 10 or 12 thieves enjoy the golf cource that you swindled other investors out of so you could gloat over it

64 alan shoemaker December 29, 2007 at 3:23 pm

No gloating from me, just facts.
Frankly I am more into this type of idea:
“We are all full of weakness and errors; let us all mutually pardon each other our follies, it is the first law of Nature.”
Voltaire

65 Canadian Shawn December 29, 2007 at 7:00 pm

THE FAB FOUR,

YOU GUYS KNOW EXACTLY WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT, YOU COLLIS, AND BOBBY KNIGHT OR SHOULD I SAY MR,FRIVOLOUS, WITH YOUR BASELESS LAWSUITS, AND YES, DAVE ( LETS TURN THE COURSE INTO A PARK) VOLKMAN, AND YOU TOO SHERIDAN, YOU BEEN FLAPPING YOUR BIG FUCKEN MOUTH OFF STEADY ON THE BLOG, YOU ARE VERY FUCKEN COCKY FOR SOMEONE WHO ONLY INVESTED A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS, IN THIS VENTURE, AND NEVER SPENT 5 MINUTES AT THE COURSE. YOU GUYS ARE THE FUCKEN JOKE, THE MONEY YOU SPENT ON YOUR FRIVOLOUS SUITS, THE THOUSANDS YOU GUYS WASTED BECAUSE OF YOUR PERSONAL HATRED FOR GERALD WE COULD HAVE DEVELOPED 9 MORE HOLES AND HAD A 18 HOLE COURSE. EVERYONE WHO READS THIS BLOG MUST KNOW THE TRUTH, TELL ME SOMETHING BOB KNIGHT, YOU SAY ITS NOT PERSONAL, I SAY YOU ARE A FUCKEN LIER, YOU SIT IN FRONT OF GERALDS SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, SCREAM AND CURSE GERALD, AND TELL PAM TO FUCKOFF, THE MANS WIFE, EXPLAIN THAT ROOKIE, THATS FUCKEN DIRTY WHERE I COME FROM. IF YOU DONT LIKE SOMEONE, WALK ON, WALK ON, DONT SUPPORT HIS RESTAURANT. BUT THATS NOT YOUR STYLE IS IT BOB,

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING FAB FOUR,AND TO THE OTHERS WHO GOT SUCKED IN BY THE FAB FOUR, LISTEN CAREFULLY, RYAN RICHARDS BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 1984, DURING THE TIME OF HYPER INFALTION, HE HAS THE ORIGINAL DOC, HE HAS LIVED AND MADE A BUSINESS OFF HIS LAND, FOR 24 YEARS, AND WHEN SAN JUAN BECAME A DISTRICT IN 2000, THE MAN HAS PAID TAXES ON HIS LAND EVERY YEAR FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS, AND YOU FUCKEN COWBOYS WANT TO THROW THE MAN OFF HIS PROPERTY, DONT FUCKEN TELL ME I AM WRONG,I HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES, AT THE SAN JUAN OFFICES NEAR THE AIRPORT, TAXES HAVE BEEN PAIDED ON THE PROPERTY FOR 7 YEARS IN RYANS NAME, NOT THE FAB FOURS NAME. SHERIDAN, IN YOUR SICK WORLD, TELL ME SOMETHING BOY, IF YOU GOT THE GUTS, I CHALLENGE YOU RIGHT NOW, DO I, OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER, HAVE THE RIGHT, LEGALLY , TO KICK RYAN OFF HIS LAND AFTER THE MAN HAS PAID TAXES FOR 7 YEARS, AND DONT PLAY THATS WHAT THE COURTS DECIDED CARD, GO TELL THAT TO SOME CRACK HEAD IN THE SEEDY PART OF YOUR CITY OR TOWN, I FUCKEN DARE ALL OF YOU GUYS, TELL ME,

ALL THE EX-JOCKS, WHERE I LIVE, EVERY SAT-SUN. COME OVER TO MY COTTAGE, WATCH AND BET ON SPORTS, THE GUYS HAVE BEEN ENTERTAINED BY READING THE BLOG, A COUPLE OF MY BUDDIES, JAMES HOOD AND GEORGE WILSON, BUSINESSMEN AND LIFE LONG JOCKS. HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE FAB FOUR, THEY WANT TO KNOW, IF RYAN GETS KICKED OFF HIS LAND, WITHOUT INSULTING THEIR INTELLIGENCE, WHAT IS THE REASON YOU WILL GIVE MY BUDDIES FOR THROWING RYAN OFF HIS LAND, OR SCREWING HIM OUT OF MONEY ,FOR,RENT OR LEASE, TELL ME, YOU AINT GOT THE BALLS, NONE OF YOU, YOU RATHER RIP HIM OFF, YOU FUCKEN GUYS JUST COULD NOT WAIT TILL WE FINISHED THE COURSE, OR SET UP A LEGAL CONSTITUTION, YOU GOT TOO FUCKEN GREEDY, ONCE THE CLUB WAS OPEN, AND ORGANIZED, EVERYONE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN, NO PROPLEM, I MEAN EVERYONE, ONE MORE POINT FOR THE ROAD, THE FAB FOUR, EVERY FUCKEN ONE OF YOU GUYS KNEW THE DEAL. AS SOON AS THE COURSE WAS FINISHED, RYAN WAS GOING TO SIGH A LONG TERM LEASE AGREEMENT, WITH ALL OF US, AND HE WAS GOING TO LIVE AND WORK AT THE FRONT CORNER SECTION OF THE PROPERTY. ALL THE MAN WANTS IS SOMEONE TO STEP UP AND SHOW SOME FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, THATS ALL THE MAN WANTED, AND NOW, ALL YOU GUYS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE ARE LOOKING FOR SCRAPS. PEOPLE LOST JOBS (WORKERS) WITH FAMILIES, AND INNOCENT KIDS SUFFER, BECAUSE OF YOUR INVASION OF RYANS LAND, SWEET DREAMS FAB FOUR, YOU MUST FEEL PROUD, TO AFFECT POOR PEOPLES FAMILIES, BECAUSE YOU CANT SELL SHARES ANY TIME YOU WANT, THATS THE BOTTOM LINE, THATS THE PROBLEM I HAVE, AND TO KICK RYAN OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER OFF THEIR LAND AFTER THEY PAID PROPERTY TAXES FOR 7 FUCKEN YEARS. THAT LEAVES A BAD FUCKEN TASTE IN MY MOUTH,

MIKE COLLIS, I MUST SAY, FOR THE RECORD, ITS A FINE FUCKEN LINE BETWEEN GENIUS AND ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT, AND YOU, MIKE COLLIS, YOU WALK THE TIGHTROPE LIKE A FUCKEN MASTER, YOU GOT TALENT, YOU CANT FIGHT THE WORLD MIKE, SOME DAY YOU WILL REALIZE THAT. ALSO BILL AND MIKE, I MIGHT HAVE THE NAME WRONG, MY GRANDFATHER TOLD ME ABOUT HITLERS PROPAGANDA MINISTER WHAT WAS HIS NAME JOE GOBBLES, THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THE FAB FOUR TOOK A PAGE RIGHT OUT OF HIS BOOK.I NEVER HEARD SO MUCH BULLSHIT AND LIES IN MY LIFE

66 alan shoemaker December 29, 2007 at 7:34 pm

Shawn, it is over now. We tried to tell them but… But now it is finished. I have personally seen the three signatures from the Superior court judges. It is over.

67 Bill December 29, 2007 at 9:06 pm

Happy New Year Shawn, Alan, the Fab Four, everyone! Relax Alan, wait and see what happens.

68 alan shoemaker December 29, 2007 at 10:32 pm

Bill… put your money where your mouth is senor or shut the fuck up.

69 alan shoemaker December 29, 2007 at 10:35 pm

So… wanna bet? LOL

70 Bill December 30, 2007 at 6:53 am

You are reading too much in my comment. I wished you and everyone a Happy New Year. Is that what you want to bet on. Whether you relax? Whether we wait to see what happens? Is this one of the same personalities that was quoting Voltaire in comment # 66 after “gloating” about my “gross incompetence” in # 64. That’s alright, I have called you some names, and I will call you some more names, but I thought I would wait till after the holiday seasons.

71 David Volkmann December 30, 2007 at 11:39 am

Shawn the fab four, as you call them, are the only ones who have went to extreme measures and expenes to make sure Ryan did not lose his home. Mike has documents to prove this if there be reason to prove it to anyone. They also have all invested 4 and 5 digit amounts into the golf course. There would be no golf course if it wasn’t for them. If there is rent due then those who rented the property should pay it promptly. This is fact not opinion.

That it is the biggest fault they have. Big mistake building the golf course and then bringing other investers in. Never should have done it.

I know how much time I spent actually on that golf course before you ever invested one dime. The same goes for the other 3. We are team players. We are thinking of all the investers money. Not greedy about whether we get to play golf or not. If we lose our investment because of bad management, marketing, ect. so be it. If a criminal steals our investment that is another story.

As far as hatred for Gerald goes, probably the one thing the fab four have the most in common is we considered Gerald our best friend in Iquitos before the golf course was taken from us and investers from around the world. I would give anything to have those good old days back. I wil also repeat what I have said before I am sorry for any slanderous statements I have made to anyone. That includes you to Alan.

In the states the land and the golf course would be seperate entities. One person or group own the land and another would own the improvements. Sometimes the same own both. In Peru maybe the law is different. That makes us investers that much more stupid to build something on someone else land.

I have said this before and needs to be repeated “Thank God stupidity is not a crime in Peru or me and others would be in prison for a long time”.

72 alan shoemaker December 30, 2007 at 12:03 pm

And you have a Happy New Year too Bill. Thanks.
And everyone else too.
For the golfers out there, you’ve got a small window of time now to clean up those clubs, shine your shoes, and very importantly – write your name or make some personal logo to put on your golf balls as once found and identified as yours, you can buy them back at 50 cents each. Great deal! I would hope that the first section they cut would be the driving range so at least we can begin to hit some balls.
The others that don’t play but appreciate golf should look into buying a comfortable folding chair. I haven’t seen any here in Iquitos so bring one down with you or buy one in Lima. As a matter of fact, buy me two of them!

73 alan shoemaker December 30, 2007 at 5:20 pm

You apology is accepted Dave.

74 Mark December 31, 2007 at 4:35 pm

Well Mike,
I guess those 200 golf balls I have to bring down might just stay here.

75 alan shoemaker December 31, 2007 at 10:42 pm

Yes Mark, keep your balls to yourself…

76 David Volkmann January 1, 2008 at 10:01 am

Alan, New Years Eve was so great for me to think the golf war is finally over. Then today we had to call a goverment official at home about something else and he told us what you said was not true. I can’t get ahold of any of the “Fab four” to confirm what is going on so you want to elaborate on what is going on with the golf course? I am getting a little confused and don’t want to start calling people liars until I get all the facts.

77 alan shoemaker January 1, 2008 at 5:54 pm

The original lower court judge initially ruled that Mike had control of the land. This was appealed to the Superior Court. there, the three top judges ruled that there was absolutely no evidence presented in the lower court that would have given the lower court judge reason to have make his declaration. So the three superior court judges said that the case is handed back down to the lower court judge so he would correctly issue his declaration, i.e. The propery is Ryan Richards. Following this, the property will be officially handed to Ryan. Unfortunately the agreement was/is that when the land is returned to Ryan, it must be returned to him in the condition it was in. The grass has grown high, the greens have not been maintained. So the property will have to be first hand cut with machetes and then cut with power mowers. This will take some time, probably about 2-3 weeks and will be expensive. This is my understanding from what I have heard. The only thing I actually KNOW is what I have seen with my own eyes, and that is the ruling by the three Superior Court judges. Perhaps I can get a copy and post it here.

78 David Volkmann January 2, 2008 at 7:45 pm

That would be nice if you could get a copy and post it. To much bulshit on the blog. Facts would be nice.

79 dave sheridan January 4, 2008 at 8:23 pm

Shawn you do not have a clue. When I sat at the table in Jim Kings office with you I wished I had the time to enlighten you. I have a feeling you probably would listen. If for a freaking heart-beat you think we (the so-called fab four) tried/are trying to screw anybody you need to spend some time with Bill and I and try to listen instead of blathering about jocks. Check out my denuncia!! It is written in the benefit of all share holders. I couldn’t care less if I ever got a cent from the course or ever played golf. I was personally told by Gerald the “others” weren’t invited in the so-called new club (the one that was capitalized with the old clubs assets). Please explain why so many people that supposedly signed the minutes of the meeting to dissolve the first club deny any knowledge of such a meeting? By the way. My lawyer says it ain’t over. And if in Iquitos the word comes down against me, I appeal in Lima. I already have the lawyer. If they want to buy their way through Lima they will need deeper pockets.

80 alan shoemaker January 4, 2008 at 9:30 pm

Dave, good to hear you are out of the hospital… I guess you are. Hope you are doing okay and Happy New Year senor.
the golf course case is over, Ryan gets it back. That’s finished already.
No appeals can be heard unless there’s some drastic new evidence that has come afoot.
Zeller walked by the Yellow Rose two days ago and Gerald asked him to please cut the grass. He responded: YOU will NEVER play golf on that course again…
So this was taken as some kind of threat that he would so damage the course that it would be lost.
That’s unfortunate. I would hope that it would not come to this, but I heard him say it.

81 dave sheridan January 5, 2008 at 5:23 pm

Alan, I do not have a tape of the so called Zeller comment, however, I can interpret the quote you give many ways other than yours. Thanks for the Happy New year wish. I was out of hospital a while back. In Lima ten days ago seeing my lawyer there. And to repeat a famous quote, “it ain’t over til the Fat Lady sings”, or as Yogi supposedly stated, “It ain’t over til its over”. Also Alan, take it to the bank that if Gerald bought the verdict in my case he’ll have to buy one in Lima on appeal. The cost of that attempt could be jail. Now Gerald could have me hit before that to prevent the need of a defense in Lima. That’s the only way out for him as I see it. But I think he is too much of a coward for that because he knows the fact that what goes around comes around.
By the by John Z. I like your style (most of the time).

82 alan shoemaker January 6, 2008 at 12:42 am

Dave, calm down man, get well.
Gerald have you hit? Surely you are not that nuts or paranoid? There’s no “hits” happening here so please get your mind off it unless you want others to believe that it is actually your thinking. Let’s not get silly here. This is a simple disagreement. Buying verdicts? Everyone knows this could not happen here. Had any of you been golfers anywhere, you would have recognized that this was and is an argument among gentlemen and some lose and some win.Just like elections. So you let it be, you lost and so maybe next time you win. Some of you will continue being friends with everyone – as you can, as need be and to eliminate negativity. Others? Those unfortunate sons of bitches will carry this with them to the grave, unfortunately.

Dave Sheridan. I know you somewhat .. and I suspect that instead of melding the pot, you will take this along with other past things not correctly digested… to your grave instead of seeing this in another light.
So what should happen? My opinion.. and I know that nobody asked me for it.. So don’t call in Kamrma Zongi or the lone Zeti or etc. etc. etc. when I tell all of you.

Mike and all of us too, believed in a golf course. As it is with gringos, we like to trust each other. We all put funds into this, quite informally, and we actually built a golf course.
Amazing really. Think about it.
And in order for the course to be built, Mike sold memberships to others so there would be the funds to continue the project. Seemed to me at the time that he was also the best person to do this being that he was an X insurance salesman and was in the center of town all the time. So maybe 60 or so people bought those memberships. And most of them thought that they were buying into a for-profit situation, i.e. that they could sell their shares down the road for profit or whatever. I know that I did. Hey, I believed that I could play golf forever.. my family too.. with my measly investment. this was a very informal thing among gringos and was as if we were just building a club out of thin air.
But then we were shown by an attorney in Iquitos that the constitution that was taken from another golf club was not congruent with a non-profit entity. So the original Amazon Golf Club (or whatever it was called then)was dissolved and another constitution was put in place that was congruent with a non profit status.

So what is the solution? I know that the judges looking at this situation read this blog.
Everyone that bought memberships into the golf club should be members, regardless of the confusion of the status of the club. Many have been called in to testify and the truth seems to be pretty fickle.
Now there is one major problem. Many people actually believed that there were people actually trying to steal the club. That never happened, that was invented. There are reasons why but those are useless right now. The point is that everyone that honestly purchased memberships should be allowed to play golf and come to the club (if we will actually have one after all this).
But there is a codicil: Those persons that jumped on a band wagon and attempted to take Ryan’s land away from him would now need to fill out an application for membership. Read that as eating humble pie. Forgive and forget and let’s move on. We all live here. Get it?
Stop the denuncios, quit bothering the police. There’s no real damage done here.. just time. No one is hurt.

83 Bill January 6, 2008 at 8:26 am

That is a nice well thought out comment Alan. I don’t agree with all of it, but at least you seem sensible.
The most important part I disagree with is your continuing implication that we have “lost”. We have not “lost”. I keep hearing about how mayeaux has “stuck it up our ass”, how our “balls are in a vise”, how we are “going to prison”, being “deported” and a lot worse. There is only one way I will think we have lost. If mayeaux plays a round of golf and does not get arrested for trespassing, then and only then will I will think we have lost. If that ever happens, I will offer to shake your hand like a man. Don’t expect me to concede anything until then.

84 alan shoemaker January 6, 2008 at 5:45 pm

If any of you were a party to the attempt to take over Ryan’s land, then you indeed have “lost”. That is over. If those same people wish to throw more good money after bad, because your attorney tells you too, then by all means do that. We would all be better off if you simply donated those funds to me cause at least I would do something for the good of everyone.
No one is “going to prison”, but yes there are assholes out there but not quite big enough to put anything into them, yet; and the only way you can get your psychological balls in a vise is if you do it to yourself.
As I understand it, the course will officially be turned over to Ryan on Thursday.
Game, Set and Match.
Elvis has left the stadium.
Turn off the lights cause nobody is home.

85 dave sheridan January 6, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Alan my good friend read your own comment. You say “So maybe 60 or so people bought those memberships. And most of them thought that they were buying into a for-profit situation, i.e. that they could sell their shares down the road for profit or whatever. I know that I did.”.
Please explain where the rights of the “60 or so” went? Please explain Gerald’s comment to me that “I could be a member of the new club but not the others”. Please explain where the rights of those “60 or so” members were the day Gerald dissolved the club without the knowledge of the majority? Please explain who authorized the inception of the “new ” club with 19 people denying the majority? Please explain, my good man, how you defend Gerald stating Bill Grimes was never a member of the original club (PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS ONE!!!).

86 dave sheridan January 9, 2008 at 7:47 am

Isn’t it amazing. If you want Alan to stop talking, ask him a few questions. He is not an “artful dodger”, just a dodger

87 dave sheridan January 10, 2008 at 6:35 pm

Alan,

With regard to your comment number 79, please enlighten us if you were personally sitting with the judges and listened to their decision or was it the information fed to you in the Smelly Rose? Also I re-iterate:
Alan my good friend read your own comment. You say “So maybe 60 or so people bought those memberships. And most of them thought that they were buying into a for-profit situation, i.e. that they could sell their shares down the road for profit or whatever. I know that I did.”.
Please explain where the rights of the “60 or so” went? Please explain Gerald’s comment to me that “I could be a member of the new club but not the others”. Please explain where the rights of those “60 or so” members were the day Gerald dissolved the club without the knowledge of the majority? Please explain who authorized the inception of the “new ” club with 19 people denying the majority? Please explain, my good man, how you defend Gerald stating Bill Grimes was never a member of the original club (PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS ONE!!!).

88 alan shoemaker January 11, 2008 at 12:40 pm

I have explained this over and over since the beginning of the blog.
Dave Sheridan: I personally saw the ruling from the three judges in the Superior Court. Mike no doubt has copy of this too.

89 dave sheridan January 11, 2008 at 1:12 pm

Please everyone. Help me out here. Has Alan answered and explained the questions I asked in comment 87 or the ones way back when that I numbered to help him out?

90 Bill January 11, 2008 at 2:10 pm

Even Alan can not defend mayeaux on the question about whether I was a memeber of the original Amazon Golf Club. mayeaux has sworn in two different courts, in front of three ficals and three different judges, on several occasions, including when he lied in front of his wife, who knows it is a lie, and several members of the original club, that know it is a lie, that I was never a memeber of the Amazon Golf Club. How are you going to respect a person like that, or anyone that supports him. To Alan’s credit he agreed with the obvious that I was and am a member, in comments # 16 and # 17.

91 dave sheridan January 11, 2008 at 7:50 pm

problem is he (Alan) will never admit his FRIEND Gerald is a liar (ie Bill’s membership).

92 alan shoemaker January 11, 2008 at 8:32 pm

I actually wrote out a long response to this…
But you know what? This is tiring now and I have already told you the truth too many times. So just sit back and watch what happens.

93 David Volkmann January 12, 2008 at 8:21 am

Thursday has come and gone. What happen? Is it over Alan?

94 alan shoemaker January 12, 2008 at 5:50 pm

The three judges didn’t get around to writing up the official report so now the date is set for the 18th.
Just to give you an idea of their caseload (and this case is not very important in their scheme of things), one of the judges had something like 1,200 cases piled up there that he had to respond to.

95 dave sheridan January 13, 2008 at 8:23 am

In comment 90 Alan says “I personally saw the ruling from the three judges in the Superior Court. Mike no doubt has copy of this too”. In Comment 96 he says “The three judges didn’t get around to writing up the official report”. hmmmmmm They even discussed with Alan how many cases they had piled up. Apparently they must have shown him a rough draft of their decision. Just how involved are you in this case Alan?

96 dave sheridan January 15, 2008 at 6:30 pm

Hey Shawn,

Quote from your comment

YOU GUYS KNOW EXACTLY WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT, YOU COLLIS, AND BOBBY KNIGHT OR SHOULD I SAY MR,FRIVOLOUS, WITH YOUR BASELESS LAWSUITS, AND YES, DAVE ( LETS TURN THE COURSE INTO A PARK) VOLKMAN, AND YOU TOO SHERIDAN, YOU BEEN FLAPPING YOUR BIG FUCKEN MOUTH OFF STEADY ON THE BLOG, YOU ARE VERY FUCKEN COCKY FOR SOMEONE WHO ONLY INVESTED A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS, IN THIS VENTURE,

Hey Shawn….how about around $6,000.00 (not counting my purchase of two lawnmowers). (I admit only about $1,300.00 was direct investment, the rest defending my and others rights.)

AND NEVER SPENT 5 MINUTES AT THE COURSE. YOU GUYS ARE THE FUCKEN JOKE, THE MONEY YOU SPENT ON YOUR FRIVOLOUS SUITS, THE THOUSANDS YOU GUYS WASTED BECAUSE OF YOUR PERSONAL HATRED FOR GERALD

Gerald was one of my closer friends in Iquitos before he screwed me and so many others. Just the opposite of hate, Shawn. I carried many items, including a camera, mixer etc for him from the States. Because he was a friend. I guess as is often said, your friends can screw you much easier than your enemies. I have tried to think of anyone who screwed me and became my enemy. Guess what. There is only Gerald and his cronies. And I must admit that they probably didn’t begin this trying to screw anyone in particular. Greed blinded them and they didn’t think or care about anyone else.

I spoke to a few people Shawn. The consensus is you are an alright guy. Just primarily frustrated at the result of all the crap. Do yourself a favor. Stand back and be objective. Write out the facts from the day Mike shouted “EUREKA!!”, or whatever the hell he shouted when the golf club/course was born in his mind.

97 dave sheridan January 15, 2008 at 6:34 pm

I promised myself I was going to stop commenting. Sh*t. Here I am in my study, four finger typing, wasting my time again, spouting my frustrations. Why in hell did I sit with Mike that day and buy two memberships. Lets get drunk Shawn.

98 alan shoemaker January 16, 2008 at 1:53 pm

For the last time, the Superior Court’s three judges have ruled that the land be given back to Ryan and that there was no evidence what so ever for the lower court judge to have concluded that it should be in Mad Mic’s control. I saw the ruling Sheridan.
As I understand it now, the date for the official return of the land is on the 18th of Jan.. That can change of course. I’ll keep you informed and when I have the time of this official turnover, I’ll post that too so any of you can be at the golfcourse when it is officially handed back to Ryan.

99 David Volkmann January 17, 2008 at 7:38 am

Alan,I am willing to make a wager with you that you are wrong about the Superior Courts decision. i am giving you the benefit of the doult because spanish is your second language and you may not have read all the documents correctly. Put the wager here on the blog so we both have plenty of witnesses.

100 alan shoemaker January 18, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Hmmmm…. Okay Dave. Let’s make a wager. How much money do you have?

101 alan shoemaker January 20, 2008 at 10:14 pm

It’s awfully quiet here now Dave…
So, what kind of bank account do you have? Let’s get on with it.

102 dave sheridan January 21, 2008 at 6:36 pm

Alan,

I think I can see myself clear to let Capt. Bill hold the bets. Give him $5,000.00 US. BILL LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE IT. Fork it up Alan.

103 dave sheridan January 21, 2008 at 6:39 pm

I forgot it’s last names eh Shoemaker. Or mayhaps you forgot my first name, Shoemaker.

104 dave sheridan January 21, 2008 at 6:42 pm

Oh wait!!! I forgot. It was SFU right Shoemaker? (short for let me try to recollect what SHOEMAKER named me) Oh yes. Short Fat and Ugly.

105 dave sheridan January 23, 2008 at 7:42 am

And a loooooooooooong drum roll whilst everyone waits for Shoemaker’s deposit of $5,000.00 with Capt. Bill. Hey Shoemaker, maybe Gerald will kick in a few thousand to help. After all, it should only be a short term loan. What do you think Alan? (I hold a distaste for using last names. Even when it is appropriate.)
SFU…..(I like that name)

106 Alan Shoemaker January 30, 2008 at 8:16 pm

I didn’t say anything about $5,000 dollars Sheridan. I said: How much money have you got?

107 Alan Shoemaker January 30, 2008 at 8:18 pm

Or are you just $5,000 dollars sure?

108 alan shoemaker January 31, 2008 at 10:45 pm

Whatever…
I will take you bet.
I saw the three Superior Court Judges siged an order to tell the lower court to overrule their previous judgement.
Now put your money where your mouth is Dave Sheridan.

109 alan shoemaker January 31, 2008 at 10:50 pm

That is in, I saw the order signed by the three Superior Court Judges… just to be clear.
So senor, put up now or shut up.
I don’t need anyone holding my money. Are you nuts too? But that’s a pretty retorical question.

110 Bill January 31, 2008 at 11:23 pm

Alan I have found your comments about the bet to be insulting and disingenuous. To suggest you would bet as much as Dave Volkmann or Dave Sheridan “have” sounds so stupid, because it would be impossible for you to cover the bet if you lost. To say you do not need anyone to hold the money is equally stupid. No one believes you would pay if you lost $100, let alone $5,000, let alone as much as these gentlemen “have”. On the other hand the other two gentlemen would be honor bound to pay if they lost. So, yes of course you would have to put the money up front, so you shut up.

111 Mark February 1, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Alan you saw what gerald wanted you to see and NOTHING ELSE…You do not have a clue to anything but what gerald says period….S oquit lieing about these things…Everyone knows you do not have the money to put up for a 100.00 bet like Bill says…EVERYONE KNOWS YOU…..OH AND KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF THE BALLS AT THE CLUB…I DID BRING SOME DOWN FOR THE CLUB….

112 alan shoemaker February 2, 2008 at 12:32 pm

Well now, let’s see. Not only do you not believe but you are also saying that if I lost the bet that I would not pay up. That’s character assination in a public place.
So, tell you what I’m going to do. I’ll call the $5000 dollar bet and raise you $5,000 more.

Call the bet and I’ll prove this to you instantly. I have the order in my hand right here from the Superior Court.

Now what are you going to do?

113 Bill February 2, 2008 at 1:40 pm

If there is a bet it will not be about some pissy little document you may have in your hand. The bet will be whether Mike Collis, or Ryan Richards will have control of the land the Amazon Golf Course is on. No one cares about the pissy little corrupt document you are so proud of. How do you propose to guarantee payment if you lose Mr Honorable Big Shot?

114 alan shoemaker February 2, 2008 at 1:55 pm

It was Sheridan that said there was no such paper from the Superior Court which nulified Mike having control of the land.
So, again, what are you going to do? Bet or no bet?

115 Bill February 2, 2008 at 2:55 pm

Alan, I never make bets. I am trying to facilitate a bet between you and David Sheridan. I think we need to clarify what the bet is and how payment is guaranteed to the winner.

This is Alan Shoemaker, comment # 100
“For the last time, the Superior Court’s three judges have ruled that the land be given back to Ryan and that there was no evidence what so ever for the lower court judge to have concluded that it should be in Mad Mic’s control. I saw the ruling Sheridan.
As I understand it now, the date for the official return of the land is on the 18th of Jan.. That can change of course. I’ll keep you informed and when I have the time of this official turnover, I’ll post that too so any of you can be at the golfcourse when it is officially handed back to Ryan.”

This is David Sheridan comment # 101
“Alan,I am willing to make a wager with you that you are wrong about the Superior Courts decision. i am giving you the benefit of the doult because spanish is your second language and you may not have read all the documents correctly. Put the wager here on the blog so we both have plenty of witnesses.”

When I read Sheridan say, “Alan,I am willing to make a wager with you that you are wrong about the Superior Courts decision.” Then I read Alan saying “Sheridan said there was no such paper.” It kind of makes me wonder…hhmmmmmm…

I think it is clear there is only one important result worth betting on, ultimately it is who has control of the land the Amazon Golf Course is on, not the existence or the interpretation of some pissy little document. So, I think that we can agree that the bet is who controls the land, not some pissy dirty little piece of paper.

Now, I ask you again, how do you propose to guarantee the winner of the bet receives the prize money?

116 Mark February 2, 2008 at 8:46 pm

alan someone saying that you would not pay up is not character assination but the truth. everyone knows you do not have the money for this and if you did would not pay the money when you lost. you can not afford it. you need your money for your wifes temple in the corn field. Hey I have an idea alan.
why don’t you visit me in indiana so we can play golf and talk about the Amazon golf club, then you can take some balls of your own back with you to use.. I will pay for the golf OK..Hell I will let you use a set of clubs of mine also. since you are in the need of a place to play…I went for a visit out there just last month when I was there and it is beautiful. especially the holes that Shawn had his crew work on. If Shawn would have gotten involved from the beginning with other ideas for the layout it might have played even tougher all of the way thru.

117 alan shoemaker February 3, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Just forget the whole thing. No bets.
However, I have done nothing on this blog but tell the truth and I am telling you. So who wants to see a copy? Give me your emails at alanshoemaker@hotmail.com and I’ll scan it in and send it to you.

118 alan shoemaker February 3, 2008 at 2:55 pm

And by the way Mark, what makes you think I don’t have money?

119 Bill February 3, 2008 at 5:22 pm

Hello Alan, it would be nice if you scan it and put it on the blog. I am sure everyone will be interested. Thanks, Bill

120 alan shoemaker February 3, 2008 at 8:13 pm

I’d love to do that but… how can I put a scan on this blog? at times I’ve wanted to put photos here too but how can I do that?

121 Mark February 3, 2008 at 9:17 pm

scan the paper to a file, then open it and take you mouse and left click and move down tohigh light all of the words,,,right click then copy …..
move to blog where you right and right click and paste …tada….

122 Mark February 3, 2008 at 9:19 pm

photos will not work that way sorry but I do not know that one. but with text ,it is this way. I am sure there is others but i am not a guinuess..

123 alan shoemaker February 3, 2008 at 11:03 pm

a Scan is a photo…
So unless Bill has some ingenius way of doing this, I will have to send to everyone’s email.
Or perhaps you and everyone else still don’t believe me. Of course I know that’s the case and that’s why I don’t just type it in here. Needs to be a scan.

124 alan shoemaker February 3, 2008 at 11:13 pm

What’s happened Sheridan, cat got your tounge? And Volkman, what’s up senor?
Zeller… disappeared?
Collis… been very quite for a while. This Superior Court order was issued on the 27th of December, 2007, by the way.

125 Bill February 3, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Hi Alan, you can type it in as far as I am concerned. You could email me the scan and I can verify the content. If that is alright?

126 alan shoemaker February 4, 2008 at 1:15 am

I’ll drop it off to you tomorrow. You can personally see it, verify it and put it here.
the order is to return the land to Ryan. Nullifys the orders from the lower court that gave Mike control of the property.
It is over.
Dave? Where are you? Volkman???

127 Bill February 4, 2008 at 6:26 am

Alan, Just type the document in here. No one needs your editorial. This is your document that you are so proud of, you type it, I will verify that what you type is accurate, and then everyone can decide for themselves if you have interpreted the document accurately.

128 David Volkmann February 4, 2008 at 8:00 am

Here I am Alan. Why are you making it so complicated. To place a wager was agreed upon. The wager to be $5,000.00 was agreed upon. All that is left is for someone to hold the wager, which would be done in any circle of gentlemen no matter how rich you are. I can understand you may feel Bill Grimes may not be the best person to hold the wager. Someone outside the circle and more neutral perhaps. You nominate someone. Without much thought I am thinking of a couple of Americans who are residents of Peru. Jim King and Papa Dan.

A simple question. Gives us a list of people you would trust in Iquitos to hold your money and have David Sheridan (sfu) choose one. Put the ball in his court unless you just like everyone picking on you.

129 alan shoemaker February 4, 2008 at 7:40 pm

Well Volkmann, I hear from you that you want this bet to happen but SFU Sheridan has been so far silent. What’s up wid dat?
Perhaps he should take the original $5,000 bet and you should pick up the bump of $5,000.
Call? or do you not understand poker?

130 alan shoemaker February 4, 2008 at 7:46 pm

Oh,… and anyone else that would like to raise the bet is more than welcome to chime in here. I was willing to let this go and just scan it and send it to all that sent me the emails.. but this is the most hard-headed group of idiots that I have ever run into..
So, let’s play. I call the 5 grand and bump you 5. Your turn Zeller, Sheridan, Mark no balls and Easy Bill. I have told you from the beginning….
So make me show my hand, then I can say – Read ’em and weep
Go ahead, Make My Day

Who’s in? Cost $5 Grand to play.

131 alan shoemaker February 4, 2008 at 10:22 pm

wow… it is really quiet here.

132 David Volkmann February 5, 2008 at 10:49 am

Alan, what part of comment 130 do you not understand? Who do you suggest hold the wagers? And I don’t play or understand poker.

133 alan shoemaker February 5, 2008 at 8:11 pm

Volkmann…., I can truly understand that you have High Hopes that what I am telling you is a lie. So high that you should put up $5,000 as well.
And Volkmann, always know one very important thing: Keep your High Hopes up, believe in yourself –

Nobody Else Does.
So grab what little balls you might still have and anty up, chicken shit.

134 David Volkmann February 5, 2008 at 9:17 pm

The question is still the same. Who is going to hold the money?

135 David Volkmann February 6, 2008 at 7:52 am

Alan I just read your comment 135 again. Your challenging me to bet you when many of us have challenged you first. You must be back in the hospital. I hope you get well soon.

136 Mark February 6, 2008 at 8:20 am

Alan you mist be an idiot. what makes you think that a judge would give you anything before they gave the documents to the other attorneys on the case. Did you get it from your friend gerald? Probably so and it would be a false document so he could show his friends that believe him. just like the one he hung up in the yrot that has gotten him and his fiscal buddy in deep shit. He posted a document(illegal to post in public) and false because it was just given to him to shut him up and was never run thru the legal system to be approved. so an attorney and a couple of police investigators went and took photos of it for more litigation against “ol honest gerald”. Alan take the document BACK to gerald and forget your bet because I doubt you would ever pay up.

137 dave sheridan February 6, 2008 at 10:19 am

hey Alan,
Was in Brazil (re silence). Have you been committed yet? If not someone should sign the papers. I see you backed off on letting Bill hold the $5,000.00. It would have been fun to see you scratch up $5,000.00 US. I trust two people there, Bill and Luis. How far down the list do you think you are? Also. Also Alan, I noted you used the word “gloat” in a certain sentence. Do not EVER expect anyone to believe your horse-shit about being neutral. Do me and others a favor. Go to the Yellow Rose, sit in Gerald’s lap and stroke the back of his head (and by the way, keep your pants on) and keep telling him how truthful and wonderful he is. Say awww are they picking on you again Sweety.

138 alan shoemaker February 6, 2008 at 11:14 am

Frankly I doubt that betting on this is legal so let’s not do it. Instead… I am off to BGrimes’ apartment and will hand deliver this copy of the order.

139 Douglass G. Norvell, Ph.D. February 6, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Thank God I don´t play golf.

140 dave sheridan February 6, 2008 at 12:49 pm

Hey Doug, whoever you are. I don’t play golf either. But I know something you do do. Read this blog. Keep in mind some of this is tongue in cheek (5%), some is delusional blather ??%, some lies 25%, real people fighting for a just cause 50% and the rest WWF (professional wrestling). You want to hold our coats? Who are you by the way? And welcome to insanity.

141 dave sheridan February 6, 2008 at 12:56 pm

By the way Doug. We’re going to have our first meeting on the Golf Course shortly. The dress is come as you are, bring your own battle-ax, sword and battle armor and pick a side. We have Atilla coming with a couple of his friends for our side. I hear from sources that they have Porky pig and Tiny Tim coming on their side if that info helps you decide whose side might be the correct choice.

142 David Volkmann February 6, 2008 at 4:56 pm

I am starting to wonder if it is only Alan that has not been taking his meds.

143 dave sheridan February 6, 2008 at 6:10 pm

Come on Dave, bare your funny bone.

144 Douglass G. Norvell, Ph.D. February 7, 2008 at 1:51 pm

Recognizing that if you throw a rock on the Plaza de Armas, you will hit three foreigners who are “Directors” of an Institute in the selva, I will tell you that I am the Director of the Amazon Institute for the Indigenous Arts. The management team is 80% Peruvian and has the artist Cliver Flores, as well as Carlos Acosta (Victoria Regia. We had some good luck this year and were able to fund a new roof for Victor Morey Bellas Artes, which was a great relief to students who were rained upon while working. Gerald was kind enough to be the first donor.

Some of the discourse on this site is harmful. The comments about Alan Shoemaker were way out of line and embarassing if they came from a fellow American.

Will this issue ever be resolved?

145 alan shoemaker February 7, 2008 at 2:01 pm

Bill G. now has the copy of the Superior Court order. Don’t shoot the messenger please.

146 dave sheridan February 7, 2008 at 4:52 pm

Doug, that is nice that Gerald did that. Aside from that I would suggest you read his admissions earlier in the blog (and admitted on public radio in Iquitos) of beating kids and stabbing them with a needle hidden in his hand. These acts and many others are, again posted way back in this blog. None of us are attacking this man because he is a nice guy. He conspired with others and with complete disregard for the rights of those who were once his friends cheated us. Try asking him about the sixty or so members of the original golf club that he dissolved without our knowledge with forged documents. Ask if they are all still members and what happened to their investment. Believe me Doug. He is a less than honorable person.

147 alan shoemaker February 7, 2008 at 10:00 pm

gerald never had a hidden pin prick in is thumb… and the persons that said that should watch their ass. If you believe that you can say whatever you want here without repercussions… you better think again.
Just telling you like it is.

148 Bill February 7, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Of course I can tell the truth here all I want. Get your lawyer ready. mayeaux is the one that should watch his ass. He bragged to me personally about sticking the pin in the children. He told everyone that would listen. I can get dozens of witnesses to his atrocities. He wanted to get a cattle prod. I find it hard to believe he never bragged to you. This is old news. You should watch your ass also Alan. You are trying to defend the indefensible.

Doug Norvell, The comments about Alan Shoemaker were not out of line. They were restrained. Alan gives as good as he gets. Personally I have been holding back.

You asked if this issue will ever be resolved? Let me remind you AGAIN, that YOU advised us to use the legal system to resolve this issue. Since then mayeaux has been called to court to give his testimony seven times that he failed to comply with. Seven times he failed to appear in court to defend himself. An eight time he appeared without a translator, and was dismissed, as he knew it would be. It is always weeks before the next call to court. We all gave our testimony, immediately on the first call, but not mayeaux. Why would that be? Does that look like the actions of an innocent man? Or someone trying to stall hoping it will just all go away so he can sneak out the back door? On the fourth failure to appear in court the judge is supposed to send the police to handcuff the suspect and drag him to court to testify. How did mayeaux know the judge would not have him handcuffed and drug down the middle of the street screaming and shouting obscenities? Sounds suspicious to me.

So Doug, ask your benefactor of the roof why he is trying to keep this issue from being resolved! Let us know what his excuse is.

149 dave sheridan February 8, 2008 at 2:12 pm

Why did you say “in his thumb” Alan. Interesting. All I heard was hand. Hmmmmmmm.

150 alan shoemaker February 9, 2008 at 9:28 pm

Bill G. please scan in the document from the Superior Court that I handed to you. Everyone wants to see it and you have my only copy. Many have sent me emails at my address that I asked them to do.. but now you have it. Please enlighten everyone.

151 dave sheridan February 10, 2008 at 9:38 am

Bill……Have a lawyer explain it to Alan.

152 Bill February 10, 2008 at 11:19 am

Hello everyone, Alan was kind enough to bring me a copy of the “$5000” document. I have had two lawyers look at it, and two unofficial translations. I will post it here in the next few days so please check back and make your own evaluation. I think those of you with a personal interest, will find this case to be fascinating.

153 alan shoemaker February 10, 2008 at 8:07 pm

the lower court judge that initially made the decision to put Mad Mic in charge of the property has now removed himself from Loreto and will “practice” in Madre de Dios. The judges at this time are on vacation, only half of them working, so it will take some time before another judge will be assigned to the case. The Superior Court ruled that there was no evidence to show that MMic should be in charge of the property and they (three of them) threw the case back at that judge and demanded he issue an order according to Peruvian law, which means he demanded that the property be handed back to Ryan, BECAUSE there was no evidence to have put the property in MM’s hands to begin with.
From what I gather, the return time of vacations for the judges is March 8th.
I saw the golf course today, just from the gate. I had never seen the putting green below the house there… but I could see the tops of the coco trees that were planted. Looked very nice. The.. guardian (I guess) came out to see me and told me that some of the course had been cut but most of it was high grass. I did not enter as this could present problems…
That said, I joined a glof culb and I paid my dues to play golf and so I have the the right to do this. Where is the order that says that I can’t go there and play golf. Hell, I can pay someone to cut the grass myself, right? Why not? And then we can get back to sports.
Why not?
Yes we can.
Yes we can.
Why not?
Can someone show me an order that says we can’t play golf there?

154 Bill February 10, 2008 at 8:52 pm

Alan, I would love to see you out on the golf course…so we can have you arrested for trespassing. You sir, are a traitor. You do not deserve to play golf.

I wonder if you know how to read Spanish “legaleezz”. I had those $5,000 documents translated by two Spanish-English speaking Peruvians. Then I took the $5000 documents to two different lawyers, both of which completely disagree with your interpretation. I am just guessing here but why do I suspect mayeaux translated those documents for you? ha, ja, je, ji… Let me just say that given the uncertainty of nearly all human endeavors, only a compulsive, sick gambler, with no concept of odds, would offer to wager $5,000 that those documents say what you seem to think they say.

I suggest, again, like I did way back in comment # 57, that you relax, try to stay out of trouble, and wait for the legal system to provide justice.

155 Mark February 10, 2008 at 9:03 pm

The BIG QUESTION IS: How did Alan get a copy of this “legal document” and MMics attorney does not have it?

156 Mike Collis February 11, 2008 at 11:03 am

The document which Alan gave to Bill is exactly the same document that I have. According to my lawyer and others it says that although there were ambiguities in the first document giving me the administration there was no reason whatsoever that Ryan should NOT be sentenced for violent trespass and there was NO reason why my administration should not be made permanent.

Of course Alan you and a few others can go and play golf. All you have to do is just bring back the tractor mower, the other mowers, the water tank & pump, the cups from the greens, the electrical and plumbing fittings and all the golfing equipment that was taken from the course the day before I was appointed as administrater. Its as simple as that.

157 alan shoemaker February 11, 2008 at 7:10 pm

Well,… I too had the documents translated and was told (and I read spanish too) that the Superior Courts three judges ANNULED the lower courts decision that put Mic in charge because there was no evidence that would have caused that judge to have ruled. Then the Superior Court demanded that the lower court judge re-do his original (now annuled) order according to Peruvian law.
Period. Exclamation point.

158 Mike Collis February 12, 2008 at 9:21 am

Interesting Alan,

Now I am not a gambling man but if what you say is true, why wait till March? Just bring
the document to my office and prove to me that what you say is true and you can then you
can then walk back across the street to the TYROT with the keys to the course in your hand ! Alan you will be a hero !

I await for you with much anticipation.

159 alan shoemaker February 12, 2008 at 3:26 pm

I’d love to do that Mike but apparently it is a little more convoluted than that, not so simple. The three Superior Court judges ruled that the two orders putting you in charge are Annuled and asked the lower court judge to re-write up the decision again, but correctly, i.e.naming Ryan as the owner of land and in control of it. That lower court judge is apparently working now in Madre De Dios region of Peru. So now another judge will be put in to write up that order and right now fifty percent of the courthouse is on vacation and won’t return until March 8th (as I understand it). At that time another judge will be put in and formally write up the order.
That’s what I understand to be the coming of events but who knows? Probably on the Shadow knows for sure.

160 David Volkmann February 12, 2008 at 5:01 pm

Does everyone realize that this land probably wasn’t worth more than $5,000.00 before the golf course was built on it? Have we all been out in the sun to long ( or in my case 20 below temperatures)?

161 dave sheridan February 12, 2008 at 6:20 pm

Excellent point Dave V. Maybe I have been underwater too long on top of too much sun.

162 Mike Collis February 12, 2008 at 6:46 pm

Alan if the document you have says what you said it says in your last comment No.161 that’ll do. Then you could even hear Leos balls slop in the water before the weekend.

163 Bill February 12, 2008 at 7:19 pm

Alan, although I have not talked to Mike, you misunderstood comment #16. I read that he is calling your bluff. If the document says what you claim in comment # 159, and repeatedly in other comments for months, and have been propagandizing, and wanting to bet $5,000 on; all you have to do is to go to his office and prove beyond doubt that what you claim is in fact in that document he will give you the keys and you can play golf, and it’s over and you can be a hero for all the golfers. You can bring the mower and water tank and all the golf equipment that your partners stole, and have a golf tournament. Imagine that.

164 alan shoemaker February 12, 2008 at 10:03 pm

Let’s start with Bill G. scanning in the document he has in his hands for all to see, and go from there. Ok?

165 David Volkmann February 12, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Some of you guys have way to much time on your hands.

166 dave sheridan February 13, 2008 at 8:52 am

Time, time and more time Dave V. I am sitting on a boat in the middle of the East river in NY waiting for the next slack tide ( 5.5 hours away before dive #2) to dive (fastest current in NY). Sitting here after dive #1 reading CAPT. Bill’s Blog, telling the crew about the situation of the Golf Club/course and I know they don’t really believe it. Crazy.

167 Mike Collis February 13, 2008 at 10:21 am

Hello Doug Norvelle,
Although I have only known you for a couple of years I consider you to be one of the most intelligent people I have met here in Iquitos. what surprises somewhat is that although you have multi PHds you foolishly sold your soul to the devil, and not for gold but for a couple of pieces of tin.
Doug you must know now that you are not free to talk to whoever you like, you are not free to eat or drink anywhere you like and your no longer enjoy the blessing of free speach.

168 alan shoemaker February 13, 2008 at 9:27 pm

and so the disinformation campaign begins… as always…
Scan in the document Bill G., what’s the problem with that??? Get this shit over with.

169 Bill February 14, 2008 at 10:22 pm

Any one interested in studying the $5,000 documents about Ryan Richards violent tresspass charges, and/or to see if they say what Alan says they do, can click this link; http://dawnontheamazon.com/blog/amazon-golf-club-court-documents/ or at the top of the page in the column to the right of the articles is a small section titled Pages: Click the link that says amazon golf club court documents.

170 alan shoemaker February 15, 2008 at 1:04 am

thank you Bill G.
the lower court order to give mad Mic control has been rescinded. Annuled. Forget it, never existed. Erase it forever.
Elvis has left the stadium. Turn off the lights, no one is home, give it up, let it go, move on with life and let’s play golf. I told you before… same words… another date.
Simple matter really. And for me and many people, let’s look at this as if you backed the wrong person running for president. It should fall like water on a ducks back.
The problem now is that this order was done on the 27th of December and … the lower court judge has moved to Madre de Dios… and right now the problem is that 50% of the judges are on vacation, returning on March 8th. Then they will replace the lower court judge that mistakenly (to be kind) ruled that Mic was in charge of the property that Ryan owned.
However, Mic has told me that if I could convince him that the judges had ruled in favor of Ryan’s owning and controlling the land that he would hand me over the keys.
No doubt I can convince him of this. But that raises a particular problem. The agreement was that when Mad Mic took over the property, he would eventually have to give it back in the same condition it was in when he got it.
If he hands the keys to me.. or anyone… it might eliminate him AND the judge from their responsibility to return it in pristine fashion… which, as the course looks now… would cost a few thousand dollars…
And so it goes…

171 Bill February 15, 2008 at 7:15 am

To quote Alan, and “the disinformation campaign begins”, no, it continues. Alan, you have already used this same cliché riddled interpretation three or four times. Let’s get out of the way and let our other guests and members form their own opinions.

172 Canadian Shawn February 15, 2008 at 10:24 am

FAB FOUR,

I CANT BELIEVE YOU GUYS DID NOT KNOW OR HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE HIGH COURTS FINAL TAKE ON WHO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS, I READ THE DOC.THE 2ND DAY IT WAS RELEASED. AND ITS CLEAR CUT ROOKIES, AND EVERYONE OF YOU GUYS, EVEN YOUR BUDDIES BILL, WHO KISS YOUR ASS AND THINK YOUR GOD. WHO WERE SHITTING ALL OVER ALAN, CALLING HIM A LIER, THAT MAN IS THE ONLY ONE OUT OF ALL OF YOU GUYS WHO HAS SPOKE THE TRUTH, AND DID IT WITH HONOUR, AND I DONT EVEN KNOW HIM, ONLY TO SAY HI, YOU SHOULD BE HONOURED THE MAN TOOK THE TIME TO TELL YOU THE WAY IT IS. BILL, I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND TALK TO MAN TO MAN, BUT HERES THE PROBLEM, WHEN I ASK YOU WHY YOU AND MIKE PRESSED TRESSPASS CHARGES AGAINST RYAN ON THE LAND HE HAS LIVED ON FOR 24 YEARS AND HAS PAID PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS, YOU ARE GOING TO LIE AND BULLSHIT ME, AND I AM PROBLEY GOING TO LAUGH IN YOUR FACE, ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT, OR SPIN IT, THERE IS NOT REASON IN THE WORLD FOR ANYONE TO DO THAT TO ANOTHER MAN, THATS BULLSHIT GUYS, AND YOU CAN NEVER CHANGE MY MIND ON THAT, NEVER, THATS MY ONLY PROBLEM WITH YOU GUYS. TO PUT THAT MAN THROUGH THE STRESS AND MORE IMPORTANT, WASTING RYANS TIME. TRYING TO STEAL HIS LAND. ITS WRONG, AND YOU FUCKEN GUYS KNOW IT, BUT YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT RYAN, BUT ALAN,LEO MYSELF, WE CARE, ITS EASY TO COME DOWN HERE AND SWING A BIG STICK, THROW A COUPLE OF BUCKS AT THE SYSTEM, AND ANYONE COULD DO ANYTHING. AND YOU KNOW IT BOYS, IF I WANTED TO I COULD DESTROY A LOT OF LIVES DOWN HERE, ITS VERY EASY.IF YOU KNOW THE SYSTEM AND THE GAME, BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY I WOULD NEVER DO IT. I DONT WANT TO LIVE WITH THAT ON MY MIND, EVERYONE OF YOU ON THIS BLOG. NEEDS TO SAY SORRY TO ALAN, YOU WERE WRONG, BE A MAN ABOUT IT. THAT MAN HAS SPOKE THE TRUTH, AND WITH REGARDS TO RYAN, EVERYONE ONE OF YOU OWES RYAN BIG TIME, THINK ABOUT A PRICE, WHAT YOU DID TO HIM, EVERYONE OF YOU FUCKEN GUYS OWES HIM COMPENSATION. FOR THE BULLSHIT YOU PUT HIM THROUGH, AGAIN THINK ABOUT A PRICE, EVERYONE, AND I MEAN EVERYONE, MYSELF INCLUDED, WE ALL OWE RYAN MONEY. THAT MAN NEVER FUCKED ANYONE OUT OF ANYTHING, HE WANTS TO LIVE HIS LIFE HIS WAY, AND YOU GUYS TRYED TO STEAL HIS PIECE OF MIND.

I UNDERSTAND NOW WHY YOU WENT AFTER GERALD, HE HAS TO LEARN HIS PLACE AND KEEP HIS BIG MOUTH SHUT. I CANT SUPPORT HIM NO MORE, THIS MAN THINKS HE OWNS THE LAND AND THE CLUB. AND HIS BIG MOUTH HAS GOT HIM IN THE POSITION HE IS IN, PART OF ME FEELS REALLY SORRY FOR HIM, HE IS WHAT HE IS, HE GETS WHAT HE GETS, BUT HE WILL NEVER CHANGE, SO HAPPY HUNTING BOYS THATS ALL I WILL SAY WITH REGARDS TO GERALD.

173 Bill February 15, 2008 at 1:16 pm

Hello Shawn, I did not realize you could read Spanish? Speaking for myself, I can read a newspaper article written in Spanish and understand the meaning but I know I can not read a court document drafted by judges and lawyers in Spanish and expect to understand the intricacies of the law. I encourage you to have the documents translated by someone not involved with this case.

What ever respect I have from my friends I have earned. I do not lie or bull shit.

I want to sit down and talk man to man. I want to share with you what Ryan Richards and I argued about on numerous occasions for hours at a time before the Amazon Golf Club was dissolved. You will not laugh in my face.

174 Mike Collis February 15, 2008 at 6:52 pm

Shawn,
I don’t understand you one bit. Why do you keep going on and on about poor,hard done by Ryan ?
Do you not have any thoughts at all about the 50 or so investors that were robbed by Mayeaux,Andrews and Ryan ?
Of course you dont after all you got your share did,nt you ? And don’t go on that old worn out song about we could all be members. Don’t want to be a fuckin member I’m an invester and you supported the thieving bastards that robbed me, my Mom and Dad,Bill Grimes,Dave Volkmann,Dave Sheridan,Steve McCalear,Richard Guest,Carsten Kutch,John Zeller,Jason Robards,John Bernhart, Jack Wilkens, Brian and Natalie Yancey,Melvin Lawrence (since deceased),Maureen Portlock (since deceased) and of course the 8 japanese victims of this evil plan to which you are surely party to.

And who started this fuckin mess ? Not us !

I’m only glad that this gang of thieving thugs did’nt have the brains to get Ryan to get the title to the land put into his name before robbing us of our shares.

175 David Volkmann February 16, 2008 at 10:42 am

Shawn is this a Canadian thing that property is yours because you live on and pay real estate taxes on it? I have never heard of anything like that before. I know one individual who paid rent, all the improvements on the property and all the real estate taxes for 30 years. When he moved out he had no claim to the property.

I own the equivilant of 200 acres of land in Iquitos. There is a family that claims to have lived there since 1946. They have no claim to the land. I am being compassioned, and allowing them to continue to live there free.

176 alan shoemaker February 16, 2008 at 5:05 pm

Just scan it in Bill and get this over with please.

177 Bill Barnes February 16, 2008 at 5:23 pm

My Lawyer, a Mexican, says that the document Alan keeps on about tells everybody:”Ryan Richards did not appeal within the allocated time, therefore the original document stands”.
Mr Shoemaker, I believe you owe several people money from your bet.

178 David Volkmann February 16, 2008 at 6:08 pm

Alan look at comment 171. It is scaned and I have looked at it.

179 Mark February 16, 2008 at 11:42 pm

What is resolution #22 from July 20, 2007?

180 alan shoemaker February 17, 2008 at 1:23 pm

Sorry, didn’t see that it had been scanned in.
Funny thing, I’m sitting here in my house with two lawyers and they tell me yet again that the decision to have put Mad Mic in charge of the property has been ANNULED.
The judges also threw it back to the lower court and demanded that the judge return the land to Ryan.
So, what part of ANNULED don’t you guys understand?

181 alan shoemaker February 17, 2008 at 1:25 pm

ANNUL: To declare void or invalid.

182 alan shoemaker February 17, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Barnes, I can’t believe two things.
1: You have a mexican lawyer
enough said about that
2: At no juncture in the Superior Courts statements do they speak about Ryan not having appealed in the proper amount of time

And you probably paid him to tell you this.
How big of a gringo are you?

183 alan shoemaker February 17, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Big enough to open a can of “ass-whupping” on?
hahahahahahahah…

184 Mike Collis February 17, 2008 at 6:42 pm

Alan,
Just bring the document and the 2 lawyers round to my place and if the document says what you say it says your 2 lawyers can write out my Power of Attornay
in your favour giving you the administration of the land.

Whats wrong with that ?

185 alan shoemaker February 17, 2008 at 7:58 pm

The problem with that, is that the “deal” was that if and when (now) the land is returned to the rightful owner, it is to be handed back to Ryan in the same condition in which it was taken. It’s going to take a couple grand to get it back the way it was.
If you hand over the administration to me, then I would be the responsible party that would have to put the land back in playable condition.
However, let me check with some others. Perhaps this would be a quicker way out of this dreadful situation…. I’ll get back to you on this. Currently we have to wait till March 8th for another judge to be reassigned to this case as the original judge has skipped to Madrd De Dios.
And thankyou Mike, nice gesture.
Dave V., your wife is fluent in spanish and english now. Perhaps she has read it to you clearly now?
As I have told you many times: The fat lady has sung, Elvis has left the building, somebody turn off the lights cause nobody’s home.
For any of you to have ever believed that you could take Ryan’s land that he has been living and working on for over 25 years, staggers the imagination. So now if we could all please pretend that we are mature adults… let’s get on with life and as difficult as it might be, and as best you can, muster it up to let by-gones be by-gones. Iquitos is too small a place and we are too small a community to hold grudges and harvest deceit. You can turn your enemy into your friend, but it takes two in order for this to happen. You have to be the change you wish to see.
Yes, you can.

186 alan shoemaker February 17, 2008 at 8:08 pm

Finally… a few last words from me.
I apologize to anyone and everyone that disgusted me here on this blog. I know you sincerely believed in what you were doing and saying so I know that your passion was just as real to you as mine to me.
I, personally, do not harbor any ill will toward anyone who has participated in this castastrophe…. except for John Zeller, and he knows exactly why.

187 John Bernhart February 17, 2008 at 8:52 pm

Hello Bill,

Thanks for the email telling me how to read all the entries on the blog, I have just gotten caught up from November to the present. I was hoping that the court case would have been solved by now but it seems that it hasn’t. If I understand Alan’s comments, the decision for Mike to be the administrator has been annulled but that the judges have not yet written a new decision specifically putting Ryan, or anyone else, back in charge of the club.

My Spanish is pretty good but after reading 180 blog entries, I’m too tired to read the court document. Since both sides have lawyers that seem to interpret this document differently, I would suggest that Alan and his lawyers sit down with Bill and his lawyers to interpret it together.

That way, when I get back from the states in April, I can play a round of golf with you guys. If you want, I will fill up my suitcase with the legal weight limit of used golf balls.

Please remember the reasons, that I stated way back when on this blog, why I became a member: 1. to play tha sport I love with old and new friends, and 2. I was told that once the course was completed, we would join the Peruvian Golf federation, which would give me playing rights in the clubs in Lima.

I DID NOT become a member for the ability to sell my shares later on, but that was a nice perk, a perk that I thought would never be usefull because I honestly thought that we would never find enough money to actually finish construction. But some very hard working, generous, and visionary people DID create an actual course, one that I’ve played on several times and have enjoyed immensely!

I’m hoping that the court decision will be the final answer and we can do what the golf course was meant for, to play golf, NOT MAKE A PROFIT ON BUYING OR SELLING SHARES. I AM in favor of the original intent of the founders and I would love to pass my membership down to my son, but from what I understand, neither the original constituion (despite Mike’s well-intentioned promises) nor the new constituion allows for the buying or selling of shares. so let’s get the course openned, then we can vote as a majority to ammend the constituion so that we can truly become shareholders.

And, as I have stated before, I (and I’m assuming many other members or ex members or pissed off members – depending on your point of view) are ready to donate money to the further construction of the club house and maintanence for the course.

Bottom Line: This shit has gone on long enough / LET’S PLAY SOME GOLF!

John “Duffer” Bernhart

188 David Volkmann February 17, 2008 at 9:08 pm

Alan, it takes more than someone that is fluent in the two languages to translate a legal document. I have dealt with alot of legal documents in the USA and have my share of problems when they are in english. I do have a friend here that is a certified translater for legal documents in Paraguay, Peru and one other country. She can’t tralslate Mexican legal documents because it would take more training for her. She has done translation for me and she has explained how Peruvian legal phrases don’t mean what one would think it means if your not dtrained in the legal system. I have always felts this was a conspsiracy of attorneys to protect there job with all the “where as” and the “party of the first part” ect.

Anyway for probably a hundred dollars she would do an unofficial translation for me. I ask myself why. I don’t really care what the document says. Not until the order from the court comes, will it be enforced.

This golf course has sure screwed up a community that I was learning to love. I dread every trip I make to Iquitos.

189 Bill February 17, 2008 at 9:23 pm

Hello everyone, Monday morning, Feb. 18th 2008, I pledge to start the process to get a neutral source translation of the court documents pertaining to Ryan Richards violent trespass, and the potential outcome concerning who will administer the land. I will post that translation with the Spanish version of the same documents at;

http://dawnontheamazon.com/blog/amazon-golf-club-court-documents/

Also, Monday morning I will donate a substantial amount of money to Mike to maintain the Golf Course to high standards. After a week, I will personally inspect the course to make sure I am satisfied with the results. I will post photos so that everyone can know that the course is in good conditions.

Now, Alan, within a week we will have a translation of the court documents from a neutral source, we will have the Amazon Golf Course in good condition. If the document says what you claim, come get the keys. Play golf. If the document does not say what you claim, you can STILL play golf when you bring back the stolen property listed in comment # 158. You will not get a better offer.

Bill Grimes

190 alan shoemaker February 18, 2008 at 2:18 pm

Excellent Bill. Thankyou for doing this.

191 Canadian Shawn February 18, 2008 at 7:02 pm

BILL,MIKE,RYAN

IF YOU GUYS WILL ALLOW ME, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IN MY CREW IN FROM SANTO TOMAS, TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS TO GET THE COURSE BACK UP AND IN PLAYING SHAPE, FUCK THE POLITICS FOR A SECOND, I JUST WANT TO DO MY SHARE TO HELP, I AM DOING THIS FOR SELFISH REASONS, I WANT TO EXPOSE MY 3 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER TO THE GAME OF GOLF AND THE COUNTRY CLUB WAY OF LIFE THE SAME WAY MY GRANDFATHER MONROE DID FOR ME AT THE AGE OF 3 OR 4, I BELIEVE IN MY HEART WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL, A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ALL GO, LET OUR GUARD DOWN AND RELAX, AND WHERE OUR CHILDREN CAN PLAY AND BE 100% PROTECTED FROM THE VULTURES AND OUTSIDE WORLD, I NOW KNOW, WHY YOU GUYS, DID WHAT YOU DID, SOMEONE HAS TO LEARN TO KEEP THEIR BIG MOUTH SHUT AND MIND HIS BUSINESS, HE PUSHED YOU GUYS AWAY, I KNOW THAT NOW, BUT I WILL NEVER SUPPORT A CLUB IF RYAN GETS FUCKED OUT OF LIVING ON THE CORNER SECTION OF THE PROPERTY. THAT WAS AGREED UPON FROM DAY ONE, YOU CANT THROW RYAN OFF HIS LAND BILL,MIKE, THAT LEAVES A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH, I MADE A SUGGESTION TO SOME PEOPLE TO BRING IN AN OUTSIDE PERSON TO TO SET GUIDELINES AND RULES SO EVERYONE CAN ENJOY THIS FACILITY, GERALD HEARD ABOUT MY IDEA, HE TOLD ME I WOULD BE SUSPENDED, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT, I BASICLY TOLD HIM TO MIND HIS BUSINESS. SHUT HIS FUCKEN MOUTH, IF WE HAD A VOTE OF THE 60 INVESTORS, GERALD IS THE FIRST PERSON WHOSE ASS WOULD BE GONE, WE ALL KNOW THIS, THAN WE GOT ADAM, I TOLD THESE GUYS I WANT TO SEE EVERY RECEIT WITH REGARDS TO THE PROPERTY, AT A MEETING HE TELLS ME NO WAY, NO , WAS HIS ANSWER, CAN YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT, ADAM ANDREWS IS GARBAGE, HE IS A LOW LIFE PIECE OF SHIT, HE PROTECTED SERGIO, BIG TIME, I WONDER WHY THAT IS, GERALD,ADAM, HANS ARMANDO, VOTED TO LET SERGIO TAKE OUT MONEY ANY TIME OUT OF THE MEMBERS MONTHLY FEES AND GREEN FEES FOR CLUB OPERATIONS, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT, THIS MAN DOES NOT HAVE A POT TO PISS IN.A POOR MAN WITH NOTHING TO HIS NAME, CONTROLING ALL THE CLUBS MONEY, THIS IS THE TYPE OF GARBAGE AND BULLSHIT LEO AND I ARE DEALING WITH, I WANT TO KEEP THIS CLUB 100% CLEAN, THE MEETING I WENT TO, KING ADAM SAT THERE NEVER SAID A WORD. THE ONLY SUBJECT HE BROUGHT UP WAS, AND I QUOTE, SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE INCOMING GREEN FEES.IS SERGIO GOING TO GET 50% OF THE FEES, FOR HIM TO EVEN SUGGEST IT, THAT MAN IS A PIECE OF SHIT, I CANT EVEN LOOK AT HIM, HE MAKES ME SICK, I DONT GIVE A FUCK WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF ME, I TOLD EVERYONE OF THOSE GUYS, GERALD, ADAM, HANS, ARMANDO THE GREAT DIRECTORS, THIS IS A BUSINESS, WOULD YOU GIVE 50% OF YOUR REVENUE TO AN POOR EMPLOYEE, THEY SAT THERE WITH A DUMB LOOK ON THEIR FACE. NEVER SAID A WORD, I TOLD EVERYONE OF THOSE LITTLE BOYS. THEY WERE OUT OF THEIR MIND, RIGHT THAN AND THERE, I KNEW THESE GUYS HAD DOLLAR BILLS FLASHING IN THEIR EYES. I AM TELLING EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG. THESE GUYS ARE GARBAGE, FUCK THEM, THEY WILL NEVER GET A FUCKEN DIME FROM ME, THIS IS THE TYPE OF SHIT THATS GOING ON, WE DONT NEED SERGIO FOR NOTHING, BY ADAM NEVER SHOWING A FINANCIAL STATEMENT EVER AND COLLECTING MONEY FROM ALL DIFFERENT SOURCES, WE TOLD HIM MANY TIMES, SHOW US A STATEMENT. ITS WRONG GUYS, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THE MONEY THATS COMING IN TO THE CLUB FROM ANY SOURCE, YOU CANT CHANGE MY MIND ON THAT, ARE ADAM AND SERGIO THEIVES. ARE THEY HONEST, I WILL LET EVERYONE ON THE BLOG, JUDGE FOR YOURSELF, YOU DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION. FOR ME I WILL LET THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.I REST MY CASE. YOU SEE EVERYONE, I AM OLD SCHOOL, I DONT LIKE BUMS.AND I DONT LIKE CROOKED SHIT, I AM A BASEBALL AND HOCKEY MAN TO THE DAY I LEAVE THIS WORLD. I WILL NEVER CHANGE, AND ONE MORE THOUGHT EVERYONE. BACK IN THE STATES AND CANADA. ALL THESE GUYS WOULD BE UNDER CRIMINAL CHARGES AND EXPELLED FROM ANY COUNTRY CLUB ANYWHERE. THAT IS A FACT

192 alan shoemaker February 18, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Dave V…. nudge me when you wake up.

193 John Bernhart February 19, 2008 at 3:26 am

Bill and Shawn – I am impressed and heartened on reading your generous offer to reconstruct the course. I will gladly donate some money to this end, but only after the legal problems are solved and we have a constitution that we all agree on. But there is still a giant hurdle that only the ex-pats living there can solve. There has been so much enmity created between the two fighting groups that I don’t know how they will ever be able to play golf together once the fighting stops.

Ryan has stated that he will never allow certain people on his land and Bill and Mike have stated that Gerald and Adam must reapply for membership, something I fear their pride will never allow them to do.

Just out of curiosity, how much is Ryan’s property worth? Is he legally able to sell it, and if so, do you think he would sell it for the right price? If he is not the legal owner, is it possible to buy the land from the district? I know this is all coming from left field, but sometimes it’s good to have someone who is not too close to the problem to help us think “outside the box.”

194 Bill February 19, 2008 at 6:24 am

Hello Shawn, the work you and your crew did on the construction of the course was the best. Speaking only for myself I would welcome you and your crew to help spruce things up. I am sure Mike will feel the same. The course is not in as bad a shape as Alan made it sound. The only major problem is that the greens mower broke down. I am sure you will have some good advise on how to deal with that. The rest is just mowing, trimming.

I am on your side when it comes to pushing through politics…and really, on more subjects than you probably think. Let’s just get it done. Where is the big Toro mower? That is not Adam Andrews’s mower. That is everyone of the original members mower. No stupid thieving 1/16th shit. Let’s just take it back. That is ours, all of ours, Shawn’s, Alan’s, Leo’s Mike’s Dave’s and Dave’s and the Japanese investors, all of us, and everybody knows it. LET’S TAKE IT BACK. I AM ANGRY. NO, I AM PISSED OFF. No one has a right to that mower except us. When we have the mower, you and Alan and most of the others are playing golf within the day, politics or no politics.

Bill Grimes

195 Mike Collis February 19, 2008 at 10:13 am

To Shawn,
Your kind offer to help us bring the course up to scratch is gratefully accepted. On behalf of all of us I Thank You. One favour please Shawn ? we have 6 people working at the golf course, 1 nightwatchman, Margarita our Administrator (who you know) and 4 workers. Would you please integrate our 4 workers with your Santo Tomas boys and work under your guidance. We will of course pay their wages and pay for
running of our machines.

To Ryan,

Not once in these last 2 years have I said or even thought of Ryan NOT living on the plot we always agreed on. Furthermore, when this mess is sorted then we will recognise that were it not for Ryan allowing us to use the land he controlled there might have never been a golf course built. We are good,fair and honest men Ryan you contribution will not be overlooked.

To Everyone,

Were it not for the cancerous element amongst us our golf club would now be up and running.So I now call on everyone of good heart to help us cut out the ones that caused the problem and then work together to fulfill our dream and bring golf to the peruvian amazon.

196 David Volkmann February 19, 2008 at 11:46 am

Shawn, Bill and Mike you got 100% of my support. Lets hear from the rest of the investers.

197 Bill February 19, 2008 at 5:56 pm

This is old news, but it may be new to some of you that get your news from the YRT. On August 9th 2007, when the judicial system gave Mike Collis administration of the land the Amazon Golf Course is on, Ryan Richards had his bags packed and the shipping containers were empty. Against the advise of his lawyer, Mike told the judge that he wanted Ryan to continue living in his home. Everyone, including the Judge and Ryan were surprised. Mike had the Judge write that up on the spot, Ryan consulted with his lawyer, and then signed the document agreeing to the terms.

That was during the very same time period that Ryan, Sergio, Andrews and mayeaux were doing every “creative” action they could think of to have Mike either deported, arrested, or discredited. That “creative” campagain goes on to this day.

Bill Grimes

198 dave sheridan February 20, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Well everyone, I will present the “document” to my lawyer in Lima on Sunday or Monday this weekend. As many of you know I purchased two lawnmowers a few months ago and as you also know Bill is doing the same now. I know Shawn thinks I don’t have any balls (just busting yours Shawn) but as luck would have it I have a meeting with the director of five Golf Courses here Friday at 0500 (OH DARK THIRTY FOR SOME). I will see what I can come up with.

199 Alan Shoemaker February 21, 2008 at 9:41 pm

There’s lots of eyeglasses shops in Iquitos for those that can’t see.
“Dark Thirty” and you can’t see? Yeah right, you can’t.
I wish I had the time to enlighten you.. but I don’t. I’ve been shining the light from the beginning of this blog and you guys won’t pay attention. Get a new prescription please. Cost nothing when you buy the glasses afterward. And, right now there’s a special on seeing glasses:

They are called: “Wake the Fuck Up” Glasses and are for those that can accept enlightenment.
Or: “Read ‘Em and Weep Glasses” for those that won’t get the fine print.

Anyway, the gestures to get the course back to playable are excellent and laudable. Everyone should be happy about this. Seems that was a healing step, so let’s keep them coming. As everyone knows me by now, I don’t want anyone of us to be enemies and I am constantly working to alleviate what I can, but seems often that it’s impossible. I know that many people believed one side or the other and a few were vociferous about it. I have explained this to Ryan, i.e. that he should not make judgements so quickly. I like stand-up people. Find a cause and state you case. That is mostly what this has been about. However, many people were given incorrect information and unfortunately made judgements from that. Hell, we also vote for the wrong person, right? Most of you are going to vote for Hillary and you will be wrong.. LOL Don’t want to get into politics but… can’t help myself because it is rare that you see such a legendary person like Obama. “Wake the fuck up!”
Now I know that many will respond to this blog as most of you are stupid rednecks. LOL
There’s a change a’comin’ and it will be from an african-american, a black man, a nigger and an incredible person, lived his life to be where he is because IT IS TIME!

Bill G., great gesture to have the translation done by a neutral pro. However, that’s expensive. I can help you out here. Just take your lawyer and the Superior Court ruling to the President of the Palace of “Justice”. I’ve been there often and they really like to speak with gringos, so you won’t have to wait, then ask him to explain the meaning of ANNULED to you… and more..

John Bernhart, please send me an email, I can’t find your address.

Shawn, I have an idea too and a way to perhaps incredibly improve the beautiful course that we have already. Can you send me an email? alanshoemaker@hotmail.com

200 Bill February 21, 2008 at 9:52 pm

Alan I do not need any help. The translation may be ready Tuesday, cost S/120. If the documents say what you claim John Bernhart would already have traslated them for us, but he hasn’t, so I know they do not. I do not like your comment. As usual you are spamming us. Someday I will send you to spam where you belong. Do not tempt me.

Bill Grimes

201 Alan Shoemaker February 21, 2008 at 10:35 pm

So you are saying that J. Bernhart is translating and that if I write other comments too you will send me to “spam”? What does that mean, “prey tell” Bill G.? Just one more item of interest here Bill G..
This is a blog, so do you really believe that you are king here? Do you think that I shutter in my seat because you tell me that you don’t like what I write? Get a fucking grip on your bloodpressure man, you are not King of the Hill. We’re all in this together man. Take a chill pill please.
Losing is difficult to deal with but please don’t take it out on me. I’m just the messenger.

202 Alan Shoemaker February 21, 2008 at 10:53 pm

Well, I can even make this more simple. I have a translator that belongs to the UNION OR TRANSLATORS in Lima, fluent in English, Italian, French and Spanish and translates for the WHO and other conventions. Translates for me too for my Conference every year: http://www.soga-del-alma.org click on shamaanism conference please
She will do it for nothing..
Do you have a pipe?
Smoke it please.

203 Alan Shoemaker February 21, 2008 at 11:28 pm

… and as Robert Kennedy said:
Only those who dare to fail greatly, can ever achieve greatly.”

So my hats off to all of you who really believed you could steal Ryan’s land.
But you lost. So give it up and let’s find a way to glue the wounds. Please.
And of course, this blog was begun with “How they are trying to steal the golf course..” or something like that….
the point from the beginning is that Ryan was living in a fucking container for 25 years on land that he had titled or possession to…. How anyone could fucking believe that they could remove him from this is beyond my comprehension.
There’s more.. but this will have to wait till the right time.
Again, don’t kill the messenger please.

204 Bill February 22, 2008 at 6:24 am

Are you so stupid not to know it was your political rant that was the spam. You have repeated the same mantra over and over and I have not banned you for that yet. I repeat, I do not need any help from you. Why didn’t you have your friend translate it and put it on here a long time ago instead of just talking about it?

No one has lost no matter what this document says. This $5,000 document is just one more step in the process. Why don’t you either bring the stolen property back and play golf, or shut up and wait till we get the translation. Unless you can think of something new or constructive to add to our dialog.

This is my blog and you and everyone else post here with my permission. I have denied permission to your good friend Karma, and to Uri. Try not to be the third person to be delegated to spam. Alan do not tempt me. You know I will. I will miss you.

205 David Volkmann February 22, 2008 at 3:54 pm

Bill the more you write the more I am jealous I did not write your thoughts before you did. Alan, oh never mind.

206 Mark February 23, 2008 at 8:30 pm

Alan
The ruling did not give the land the golf course is on back to Ryan. The Judge gave it back to the first judge for review and think anout why he made the decision that he did and if he still feels that the GOLF COURSE LAND should belong to the original golf club then ok . IT DID NOT SAY GIVE IT BACK TO RYAN AT ALL.
WHAT PART OF THIS DID YOU THINK IT SAID “GIVE IT BACK TO RYAN”…
And if it was to go back the way it was when ryan had it it should be ALL GROWN OVER AND NO IMPROVEMENTS LIKE RYAN HAD IT ….UNUSED…. NOTHING ON IT…..
NOT CUT AND NICE WITH A GOLF COURSE SUPPLIED BY OTHERS…..UNLESS HE(RYAN) PAYS FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS…..HE DID NOT PAY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS…
And as far as thinking of stealing the land from ryan was the plan of everyone was to steal it to begin with you are as dumb as you sound sometimes.
the idea of running ryan off of the land did not come about until the three stooges(gerald, adam and ryan) started there plan to screw everyone else and if you think about it when this order came thru and ryan was ordered off of the land what happened…..Mike said let ryan keep this part of it that he has used and lived on to live on now and not throw him completely off of it and then you all stole the equipment from the grounds like BABYS…ADMIT IT IT WAS CHILDISH TO START WHAT THEY DID. MIKE AND BILL DID NOT START THIS…….
…….YOUR BUDDIES DID…….

207 alan shoemaker February 24, 2008 at 4:56 pm

You’re a bit hopeless Mark, but I still like you.
There will be an end, just as there was a beginning. There’s more here than meets the eye so just sit back and relax.

208 Canadian Shawn February 24, 2008 at 6:51 pm

BILL,MIKE,

Guys, i am really curious about something, if it was not your contention to throw ryan off his land that he has lived on for 24 years, and paided property taxes on. if you were going to let him live on his land from day one.like you suggested, and the thought of throwing him off his land never entered your mind. my question is: why did you two, have tresspass charges filed against ryan. i am not trying to be a smart ass or anything. i am trying to understand your mindset. please guys save the bullshit. will you please give me an intelligent answer. why did you press tresspass charges against him. the problem is,from my perspective, what you say on the blog, and the reality are not the same.

respectfully SHAWN MICHAEL

209 Mike Collis February 24, 2008 at 6:58 pm

Good question Shawn,
For a start I had never filed charges against anyone here in Peru and never had any intention to do so.
However Ryan filed trespass charges against me in November 2006 and on the advice of my lawyer I filed trespass charges against Ryan.
The police investigated both cases and threw out Ryan’s case against me and upheld mine against him.

210 Mark February 24, 2008 at 6:59 pm

Well Shawn I may be wrong but things were stolen from the golf course before the charges were filed and they were filed because some of the property(mowers) were on his property before being moved to another location. so to keep the criminals off of the golf course they filed charges against thief #1

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211 dave sheridan February 25, 2008 at 11:42 am

Hello Gentlemen (you too Alan),

Just left a meeting with my lawyer in Lima. He (my lawyer) has confirmed that the document that Alan presented to Bill, accompanied by his propounded, albeit completely inept verbal declaration, merely states that the “petition by Ryan Richards to have the court decision favoring Michael Collis annulled, was denied”

In other words, Alan, the document is unequivocally, meaningless and merely denies Ryan’s petition. Your problem Alan is that you may speak Spanish but the only word you could relate to was the word “annulled”.

212 Bill February 25, 2008 at 5:13 pm

Hi Shawn,

To keep the record straight, Mike and I are not always in unanimous agreement. I frequently think Mike is too nice. Mike has always said Ryan could live on the corner that was originally agreed upon and be paid for services at the amount agreed upon. I know because I argued against that repeatedly. I believed that Ryan’s treachery deserved punishment, not reward. Mike’s argument has won me over and now I support his plan. That is a big compromise for me. Shawn, you go after Dave Volkmann every once in a while. I guarantee that Dave V. has always agreed with Mike about Ryan living on the corner and being paid for services rendered.

Shawn I know you have compromised a little, and I have compromised a little. I thought Alan might compromise a little? We have taken small steps to get where most of you can play golf. We only need the Toro mower, water tank, and stolen golf equipment. What is the hold up?

Bill Grimes

213 Canada Shawn February 26, 2008 at 7:02 pm

GUYS,

Everything that was taken out of the club, to maintain the property, clubs,equipment, mowers, etc. all revolves around KING ADAM, he took everything out. 100% for a fact. he does not give a fuck about anything, you see, we are not good enough for him to let us see a financial statement. he brought sergio in under the table. and get this, signed him to a 2 year contract. with no vote, discussion, or anything, and gave him the power to take money out of the clubs bank account, from our monthly fees, and green fees, any time he wants,
that man is crooked, garbage, piece of shit, and a little boy with dreams of cashing in on the course we all put time into making. King adam went out of his way to make sure, his boy, sergio. had control of the money, gerald,armando, hans, adam, all signed off on this, i offered to armando to show him my financial statement from the my golf club in nova scotia, i have been a share holder for 28 years. i had it in my hands at the last meeting i went to, he looks at me and says, i quote, its different in peru, its not needed, that man has never seen a legal financial statement in his life, there is only a couple of us out of the 60 investors, that have any experience, as owners, you see everyone, this is the garbage and crooked shit, leo and i are dealing with, i will never honor or respect anything thats comes out of their crooked mouth, they are a bunch of low life from my perspective. leo and i want to keep this club 100% clean. i tryed to explain to these pieces of shit that the peru gov, would be chomping at the bit, for their cut, if this operation was not 100%clean, but i guess, i am from nova scotia, we do things a little different,

214 alan shoemaker February 26, 2008 at 9:13 pm

Dave S.. Put the translation here in writing for all to see, so we know you are king of the hill.

215 dave sheridan February 26, 2008 at 9:38 pm

I will do so Alan. I am heading back to the US tonight. Will have it done asap. My lawyer read it and chuckled when I told him your interpretation. Ask Luis. He was there in Lima with me.

216 alan shoemaker February 26, 2008 at 9:49 pm

And just a little reminder that maybe all of us have cognizance of: Do any of you recall that when some people got married and after a couple of days, for whatever reason, it was called off? They call that ANNULED. So when those people continue their lives, they fill out forms or whatever, and the question comes up: Were you ever married? And they legally have to answer: “No”. Because their marriage was annuled.
the order to give Mike the property was annuled gentlemen. I had a house full of attorneys and more importantly, secrataries at my brother in laws birthday.. Believe me, ANNULED means … as I have said so many times now… “Elvis has left the building” “Turn off the lights, nobody’s home” “The Fat lady has sung”
Give it up please. It’s over.
This week another judge will be assigned to the case and remanded to do exactly as the Superior Court has ruled.

I really don’t understand what the problem is with putting up the professional translation. And more to the point, anyone living in Iquitos? Just take it to the Superior Court and if you don’t understand spanish, take someone with you. It’s quite clear.
What has to happen now is rebuilding relationships. Some of you are willing and some are not. I think we all can do this… perhaps some sort of juvenile agreement like: I will if he will… Whatever it takes, just let’s get it done.

217 alan shoemaker February 26, 2008 at 9:54 pm

Sheridan…
???
You are probably the hardest headed man I have ever met.
And THEY will take that to the bank and are apparently doing so right now.
But… that’s your problem. Good luck with it.

218 Bill February 27, 2008 at 6:33 am

Hello everyone,

I don’t know what is wrong with Alan? As soon as I receive the professional translation I will post it. In the mean time, John Bernhart I expected you to summarize the documents in question. Do you agree with Alan’s “house full of lawyers, and more importantly secretaries”. Just yes or no will do.

Bill Grimes

219 dave sheridan February 27, 2008 at 8:41 am

I refuse to post anything any longer in this regard. Like talking to a brick. Let the chips fall where they may. Frankly I don’t much give a good crap. I love debating anyone with half a brain but as the saying goes, “wrestle in the mud with a pig and soon you can’t tell who is the pig”. My lawyer in Lima read it. If he is wrong (and believe me, compared to who has reviewed it in Iquitos, they are not of the same caliber) then so be it. In the meantime Mike, send me a new accounting and I will front some more money for care of the course.

220 alan shoemaker February 27, 2008 at 10:28 pm

Nice gesture Dave S.
And Bill G., excellent.
And of course those others out there that have continually been sending funds here. Thanks.
By the way, the electrical installation does not nor ever did belong to the club. That monstrous machine strapped to the light pole belongs to San Juan. It’s not even on Ryan’s property. The payment for this was for the installation. It was never anything that could have been or should have been liquadated. To futher clarify this situation? If Ryan moved, could he take the electricity with him?
No. It belongs to San Juan.

221 alan shoemaker February 27, 2008 at 11:58 pm

and while I’m at it.. just another point…
The mowers..
They could not have ever been legally liquadated… because there was never any paperwork showing they belonged to the club.
\The club at that time never had any receipts or paperwork…
So how can you disolve things when they legally did not exist.
This shit here is just getting so old…
Please, let’s all give it up… let’s put this together like gentlemen.
Enough is enough.

222 Bill February 28, 2008 at 7:21 am

Alan Shoemaker, I will tell you what is getting old is you sitting around listening to thieves trying to justify their theft and then being their lying mouth piece. What happened to your morals? When you put things like that on this blog you loose what ever little credibility you have left. You should be ashamed of your self. Are you saying those mowers belong to Adam Andrews, and not to all of the investors of the original Amazon Golf Club? We all bought those mowers and you know it. Ask Leo Jones.

Are you saying Peter Schneider did not donate $7,000 so the Amazon Golf Club could have electricity. Maybe he donated $7,000 so Ryan Richards could have electricity? Is that it? Yeah, that must be it. I will tell you what pisses me off is that you already know all of this and are flat out lying here, and you know you are lying and I know you are lying. Before you make another comment please come here to my office. I want to talk to you in person.

Leo Jones, you should speak up and tell what you know. Most of these characters can look in the mirror every morning and not see anything wrong, but I know you are not like that. What does it feel like when you look in there? What do you see? It can not feel good. What about the mowers? What about everything?

Bill Grimes

223 Bill February 28, 2008 at 7:52 am

If the mower did not legally exist how did you end up owning 1/16 of it?

Bill Grimes

224 Mark February 28, 2008 at 6:08 pm

So Alan you say you know about the items but you claim it is alright to take these because you say there is no paper work for these items, but you know about them right?

225 alan shoemaker February 28, 2008 at 9:19 pm

As legal matters goes, there was and is no way that Gerald could have listed the mowers or the transformer in the liquidation.
Had he done that, he would have been seriously liable for fraud.
They legally did not belong to the club. There was no paperwork trail legally stating that they belonged to the club.
So? He could not put them in the liquadation.
That’s the truth, pure and simple.
And so Dave V., had you been here at the time and put in the position to liquadate, what would you have done?
Obviously the simplest thing possible, exactly what Gerald did.

and so, where is the translation?

226 alan shoemaker February 28, 2008 at 9:24 pm

Everyone almost, has been making mountains out of molehills… and everyone reading this should have got it by now.

227 Mark February 29, 2008 at 5:33 am

But Alan why did gerald have to do anything “to save the investors and throw them out ” and not get with Mike and get things changed like you all think it should have been to be right. Then all of this crap would not have happened right. everyone would be playing golf instead of this. YOU seem to think it was Bill and Mike that started this mess. Hey get off of the drugs you pueh and get back to reality ok. gerald, ryan,adam and we can include you in this mess also. Or perhaps you do not kow the differense between RIGHT AND WRONG. to much drugs will do that to you…
IT WAS ALL DONE TO NOT INCLUDE EVERYONE….JUST A SELECT FEW….I AM SURE THERE IS A PAPER TRAIL SOMEWHERE ALAN IT WAS JUST REDIRECTED TO SHOW FALSE OWNERSHIP OR JUST THROWN AWAY TO NOT HAVE THE DOCUMENTS TO SHOW THE TRUTH…HECK WE ALL KNOW gerald HAS LIED TO INVESTIGATORS AND JUDGES BEFORE AND WAS TOLD TO KEEP THE RECORDS FROM THE ORIGINAL CLUB HE DISBANDED BUT DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD PROVE YOU GUYS “GUILTY”

228 Bill February 29, 2008 at 11:58 am

Hi everyone, Finally the English translation of the $5,000 court documents concerning Ryan Richards violent trespass and the administration of the land the golf course is built upon, that we have been so eagerly awaiting arrived. I posted them below the Spanish version at;

http://dawnontheamazon.com/blog/amazon-golf-club-court-documents/

I guess I have read them 10 times or more. No wonder we were arguing about their meaning. They are complicated. They are written in legaleeze. They have uncertainty built in. They require interpretation. They are not meant for the common man on the street. Roll in the lawyers and the judges.

I imagine someone may shout “I tol’ you from the beginning…lights flickering out…Elvis left the buildin’ in his blue suede shoes…I tol’ you and tol’ you…blah, blah, blah”. Perhaps some others may shout the opposite.

What do you think the $5,000 documents tell us about the future?

Bill Grimes

229 Mark February 29, 2008 at 8:08 pm

Well it looks to me that what is null and void is the case that ryan put in to have the verdict that gave Mike the land the club is on is the the one not valid and not the one saying Mike has control of the LAND…….SORRY ALAN BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU LOSE….PuT UP THE $5000.00 you owe…..

230 alan shoemaker February 29, 2008 at 8:50 pm

Mark mark fat mark…
relax and have a valium.

231 John Bernhart March 1, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Gentleman – My apologies for not getting back to you all with my interpretation of the court document. I recently bought a Honda Shadow 1100 motorcycle. I have been cruising it up and down the Oregon coast with the abandon of an 18-year-old and the prudence of a little old lady from Pasadena, and haven’t had much chance to connect to the Internet.

Given three days, as an English Professor and official translator for my university, I would have been able to give a comparable translation, but given all the previous documents that this document refers to and is dependent on (documents which I have not seen and know little about), I still couldn’t tell you exactly what it all means.

After reading both the Spanish and English versions, however, it indeed appears that Ryan’s petition to annul Mike’s original court order was denied. One of the several ‘grey areas’ that I see is the word, “improcedente,” which, according to my dictionary, means “improper,” is translated into English as “inadmissible.” I’m no lawyer, but that seems to be a pretty big difference in meaning.

It does seem clear, however, that Mike still has control over the course until Ryan makes another petition that the court will accept.(if that’s what Ryan was trying to get annulled – I’m still a bit fuzzy about the exact nature of the previous documents and court orders, or maybe I just wasn’t paying attention),

My suggestion – give all the equipment back to Mike and let him, with the generous help of Shawn and others, rebuild the course. Is there any reason why we can’t work out the legal issues and play golf at same time under Mike’s administration?

Alan – my e-mail address is: j_bernhart@yahoo.com

I said it before and I’ll say it again, shame on anybody who tried or tries to kick Ryan off his land. Mike you did the right thing to put it in writing that Ryan should stay.

I like the tone this blog has been taking about rebuilding the club. I hope we can steer away from terms like “evil” and “criminal” as well as Shawn’s more colorful adjectives, and let the courts decide who’s right and who’s wrong.

232 Mike Colls March 1, 2008 at 6:51 pm

Thank You John for your interpretation of the word “improcedente” in legal terms it means not proceeding.

233 Mark March 2, 2008 at 7:23 am

ALAN
fat mark,
look you little drug dealer I will do like Shawn says and smash your little fucking ass. You are nothing but a drug dealing weasel. whats with the name calling unless you know you are wrong. you may want to run and hide in that little corn field or is it a swimming pool you call your ayahuasca church.
You have no clue as to who you are talking to like that dude. NO CLUE….

234 Mark March 2, 2008 at 7:26 am

Sorry all but alan for talking like i did but the drug dealer made me mad. He knows he is wrong and the others are right plain and simple. Alan is nothing more that an ass pimple.

235 dave sheridan March 2, 2008 at 4:34 pm

Mark,

Join the club. Alan christened me with the moniker “Short Fat & Ugly”. Understand he is a child of sorts. I shortened it SFU and laugh about it.
I took him up on the bet of what his document said and obviously he was wrong. He doesn’t have the means to pay and to be honest I never expected him to put the wager in the hands of Bill G. He did post the funds, so I guess the bet I won was never actually consummated.

236 Mark March 2, 2008 at 5:34 pm

Yes, Dave you are right about that. He would never pay up and like you said he is a child when you go to name calling it is because you have lost something and have no other responce that is right. I never tool him up on the bet for two reasons. 1. I do not have that kind of money to lose and 2. I NEW HE WOULD NEVER PAY UP ANYWAY…

237 alan shoemaker March 2, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Hey guys, I’ve been trying to put this bullshit together for a long time…
There’s lots more but it’s not time just now.
Hang onto your panties, don’t get them in a knot. My bet is that a new judge will be assigned to the case (probably happened already)
and an order will be made to officially turn the land over to Ryan. I don’t believe that anyone had the intention to steal his
land. I do believe that many thought that “someone’s” were trying to take his land, and that is what this blog is about.
That information is forthcoming.

I also believe that if anyone went out there to hit practice balls…that it would be perfectly ok. But, I don’t know exactly…
Perhaps the issue should be pressed.

The order to give Mike the control of the land was absolutely rescinded as in “Annuled”, declared “Nulo”.
But the judge that issued that order in now in Madre de Dios. So another judge needs to be assigned to issue the official order to give Ryan back his property. We’re all awainting that.

And now I see that Mark has called me a drug dealer, publically.
Better get your panties in order. I don’t respond well to those accusations senor.

238 David Volkmann March 3, 2008 at 7:33 am

Alan if your crystal ball says Ryan will get the land, then who does your crystal ball say will get the golf course that sits on it? Further more, who has to pay for those improvements to the land?

239 Mike Collis March 3, 2008 at 10:38 am

Alan,

TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED.

240 Mark March 3, 2008 at 8:06 pm

Alan did you not see your wanted posters? It is not for selling daisys

241 alan shoemaker March 3, 2008 at 9:11 pm

I was accused Mark, not tried or sentenced. It was for ayahuasca, which the Supreme Court upheld as legal.

The Art of Not Being Offended

By Dr. Jodi Prinzivalli

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There is an ancient and well-kept secret to happiness which the Great Ones have known for centuries. They rarely talk about it, but they use it all the time, and it is fundamental to good mental health. This secret is called The Fine Art of Not Being Offended. In order to truly be a master of this art, one must be able to see that every statement, action and reaction of another human being is the sum result of their total life experience to date. In other words, the majority of people in our world say and do what they do from their own set of fears, conclusions, defenses and attempts to survive. Most of it, even when aimed directly at us, has nothing to do with us. Usually, it has more to do with all the other times, and in particular the first few times, that this person experienced a similar situation, usually when they were young.

Yes, this is psychodynamic. But let’s face it, we live in a world where psychodynamics are what make the world go around. An individual who wishes to live successfully in the world as a spiritual person really needs to understand that psychology is as spiritual as prayer. In fact, the word psychology literally means the study of the soul.

All of that said, almost nothing is personal. Even with our closest loved ones, our beloved partners, our children and our friends. We are all swimming in the projections and filters of each other’s life experiences and often we are just the stand-ins, the chess pieces of life to which our loved ones have their own built-in reactions. This is not to dehumanize life or take away the intimacy from our relationships, but mainly for us to know that almost every time we get offended, we are actually just in a misunderstanding. A true embodiment of this idea actually allows for more intimacy and less suffering throughout all of our relationships. When we know that we are just the one who happens to be standing in the right place at the right psychodynamic time for someone to say or do what they are doing—we don’t have to take life personally. If it weren’t us, it would likely be someone else.

This frees us to be a little more detached from the reactions of people around us. How often do we react to a statement of another by being offended rather than seeing that the other might actually be hurting? In fact, every time we get offended, it is actually an opportunity to extend kindness to one who may be suffering—even if they themselves do not appear that way on the surface. All anger, all acting out, all harshness, all criticism, is in truth a form of suffering. When we provide no Velcro for it to stick, something changes in the world. We do not even have to say a thing. In fact, it is usually better not to say a thing. People who are suffering on the inside, but not showing it on the outside, are usually not keen on someone pointing out to them that they are suffering. We do not have to be our loved one’s therapist. We need only understand the situation and move on. In the least, we ourselves experience less suffering and at best, we have a chance to make the world a better place.

This is also not to be confused with allowing ourselves to be hurt, neglected or taken advantage of. True compassion does not allow harm to ourselves either. But when we know that nothing is personal, a magical thing happens. Many of the seeming abusers of the world start to leave our lives. Once we are conscious, so-called abuse can only happen if we believe what the other is saying. When we know nothing is personal, we also do not end up feeling abused. We can say, “Thank you for sharing,” and move on. We are not hooked by what another does or says, since we know it is not about us. When we know that our inherent worth is not determined by what another says, does or believes, we can take the world a little less seriously. And if necessary, we can just walk away without creating more misery for ourselves or having to convince the other person that we are good and worthy people.

The great challenge of our world is to live a life of contentment, regardless of what other people do, say, think or believe. The fine art of not being offended is one of the many skills for being a practical mystic. Though it may take a lifetime of practice, it is truly one of the best kept secrets for living a happy life.

242 Canadian Shawn March 4, 2008 at 6:47 pm

For the record, whoever is responsible for the upkeep of the course, l have walked the back path to the property, big difference from a month ago. the greens have been cut, as good as possible, the fairways are a tad high, but playable, the greens need special attention, if not, will die within 6 months, l am just being honest guys, considering you had nothing to work with, the course is in pretty good shape, you dont need my help for anything right now. before i can bring my crew in, i need to talk to ryan, i have a question for everyone? Has ryan ever suggested, or talked about the fact, of ·1, not letting in or honouring the original 60 or so investors, has he ever mentioned it, only one person used language like, reapply, omit, his club, you can come to our special golf meeting, we all know the boys name, you all seem to lump ryan in with sergio,adam, gerald, armando, and so on, your anger is well justified with these clowns, please intelligently, tell me how ryan deserves this war, the man almost had to leave his land, tell me please, how did ryan richards deserve this war, who did he burn, how did ryan himself, cause any one of you to lose money, tell me please, i am talking about, richards only

243 Bill March 4, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Wonderful comment Alan. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Bill Grimes

244 Bill March 4, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Hi Shawn,

Thanks for checking the course. We know about the greens problem. We need equipment. Mike is having a roller built, but we also need the special greens mower. What else can we do with the greens to not only save them but make them great? Any ideas would be appreciated?

I think the best way to answer your comment about richards is to ask a question. Do you think mayeaux is smart enough to plot and plan and think through several moves, months ahead, and weigh the consequences? Who do you know that might be smart enough to plot and plan and think several moves ahead? Who had the most to gain?

All of you golfers want to start in the middle of the story. I was there in the beginning. I know what I know, but it no longer matters whether richards planned to cut Mike and his investors out, let alone the rest of you. Mike always included richards in his plan, and he ALWAYS included all of the rest of you.

Only one person consistently cared about all of the investors. Was it Mike Collis or Ryan Richards?

Bill Grimes

245 alan shoemaker March 5, 2008 at 6:53 pm

I think the problem with getting the machinery back is that they’re afraid they won’t get them back…
Which, to me, doesn’t make much sense at all.

I remember a few months ago with Mike said to me: “Alan, I hope you’re not taking any of this personally.”
and I responded: “Of course not Mike.”

246 Mike Collis March 6, 2008 at 9:48 am

Alan,
The problem with Andrews and Mayeaux is they believe that everyone else is as evil and vindictive as they are. If we lost controll of the golf course and we had the machinery etc. Of course we would just walk away leaving everything that was there. What use would it be to us ? About as much use as it is to Andrews now !
On the 9th March we will have had controll of the golf course for 7 months and we have managed quite well with what we’ve got. So returning the equipment is not crucial to us, it would be just a sign of good faith and could be the beginning of the healing process.

247 dave sheridan March 6, 2008 at 7:00 pm

MIKE MIKE !!! Don’t go delusional on us!! Return our equipment?? Mike you better not come to Brooklyn with money, you will return with “title” to a bridge, your very own famous Brooklyn bridge. We all love ya Mike!

248 alan shoemaker March 6, 2008 at 7:35 pm

Agreed Mike.
But I’m just one vote.

249 dave sheridan March 12, 2008 at 7:30 pm

Alan,

We have had our differences. However, one vote may be the seed of the courage needed to get one more vote. Who knows?!?!

250 Brian and Natalia March 13, 2008 at 7:51 pm

Wow, now we are getting somewhere! I haven’t chimed in in a while, but what a time to do so. Alan, glad to hear those words of encouragement! Mike, let’s continue to go forward. I haven’t been in Iquitos for a year now, even though I’m only in Colombia. I guess it’s been all the bickering that has turned me away from coming. But, it looks to me that walls are crumbling and hands are coming out to shake! I only wish that the persons who are “guarding” the mowing equipment and the transformer would see this as a time to come out of the closet. Just claim to keep it in the past so no others might take away! Any how, if this begins to get any better, I might consider bringing a group of golfers (U.S.) down on my next trip. (I’m due.) What vote casted me? Continue on!

Thanks for my chimming in!

251 alan shoemaker March 14, 2008 at 9:58 pm

Last Monday the Court met to putin the missing judges. It was decided that they would bring in a judge from Lima. So far, this has not happened yet.
4 months ago, the owner of Amazon Tours and Cruises won his court battle to get his ship back…. and he still does not have it in hand.
This could take a while.

252 alan shoemaker March 20, 2008 at 7:08 pm

Well, this has really run the gamut, so to speak.
It’s quite possible to cut the fairways… and as I understand, that’s being done. But the greens are anothr matter. There’s a
special machine for doing this. I know this because during University, I was a “greens cutter” in Lexington, Ky..
Actually loved that job because when I was on a green and there were a-holes that decided I didn’t matter and hit into the green, ANYWHERE on the green, I picked up the ball and threw it s far away possible and in the nastiest place possible too. No on ever reprimanded me for it either.
Tony is back now and will be here for a while. As most of you know, he was a good friend of the late Father of Tiger Woods. He’d like to play golf and can’t.
I would kindly ask that Mike turn the course over to Ryan. Don’t need a judge to do this. Just hand it back. Get this over with.
There’s lot’s of confusion here…. For instance, there was a lawsuit filed against Gerald AND Mike…by Bill Grimes and David Sheridan, charging them with: …let’s just say for mercy’s sake, “various things”. Filed in September, 2007. And now Bill is trying to turn Mike into a hero? Wat’s up wid tat?
Mike, turn the keys over please, let’s get back to properly mowing the course and let’s play golf.
As I have written too many times, Ryan was never trying to steal the golf couse. Why would he? It’s his land already and he very nicely told us we could build a couse there… and when it was finished, we would pay him rent. He is still at that point. Rent the course, pay him. It’s pretty simple.
If anyone has to choose sides, choose the side of the golf course please, not personalities.
And as I write this, I know some d-head will write a denuncion against me for running my Conference…. Watch.

253 Mike Collis March 21, 2008 at 11:22 am

Alan,
I gave Tony Espejo my written permission to go to the course whenever he wants last week. He has been there twice.

254 Mark March 21, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Alan,
Mike has been trying to do this for over a year now but gerald and his crew are trying to screw the original investors. Talk to your buddies and get the equipment back to the golf course like you said…
“let’s get back to properly mowing the course and let’s play golf.”
“choose the side of the golf course please, not personalities”
Alan I to have worked on a golf course and WE were told that when golfers were approaching to leave the green and let them play thru, then finish. That is only the correct thing to do so to keep play moving.. Shows how much you know about golfing, there is more to it then just hitting the ball which a lot of you do not understand..

255 Mark March 23, 2008 at 8:40 am

HAPPY EASTER TO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE

256 dave sheridan March 24, 2008 at 6:43 am

Too bad we could not have had a golf course Easter egg hunt for the local kids.

257 Alan Shoemaker March 25, 2008 at 8:36 pm

Easter egg hunt on the golf course… that would be interesting since they don’t hunt eggs here… guess they could be taught but that would be a strange thing to do, explaining to the children about
hunting those eggs.
Mark, if anyone yelled to me to leave the green, I would. It was the a-holes that just hit into me as I was cutting that bothered me.

258 Alan Shoemaker March 25, 2008 at 8:42 pm

For you see Mark, with the cutting machine running (a vertical cutter), I couldn’t hear them most of the time, so they would have to catch my eye… and some wouldn’t do that, instead they just hit to the green I was on, hoping for the best.

259 alan shoemaker March 26, 2008 at 11:48 pm

Brian Yancey…
Nice to hear from you again!
you have seen to have disappeared…
We are all working on this,
quite diffucult. You could help I think.
But you would have to b more pro-active, take a stance.

260 Brian and Natalia April 2, 2008 at 7:27 pm

Wow,

2nd April and no other comments. To answer Alan’s last… I really have been behind Mike and Bill from the start. I am an investor with numbers 6 and 46. I am part of the original membership and wish to remain with that group. The back and forth bickering dismays me mucho, but if it has to be done, then so be it. Lately, as I said in my most recent entry, it appears things are getting better? But the ultimate goal for all of us 60 plus are to have our memberships honored, profits divided amongst us, and the freedom to do whatever with our memberships. As far as the 4 dark horsemen who rode in to conquer our game and goals, “f em”. This thing could be in courts until I die??? So if we could settle out of court, so much the better, but only if it is agreeable to the 60 plus owners. Obviously, I am only repeating what so many others have already said. Which means that there is a common theme here. Majority rules normally, why not now?

To all my friends in Iquitos, I have not deserted you, I am just a busy FM (bugger) here in Colombia, the FARC like to keep it that way. Hope to see you all this year, sometime!

261 Mike Collis April 3, 2008 at 10:39 am

Thank You Very Much Brian and Natalia for your much appreciated words of support.

Its coming up to 7th April again, not only is that Papa Dan¡s 87 birthday (Happy Birthday Papa Dan) but it will be the 2nd anniversary of that “Day of Infamy” when Mayeaux, Andrews,Sergio their poison dwarf and others ilegally disolved our Amazon Golf Club at a Board of Directors meeting that never even took place.

Over these last 2 years I have fought to get back our investment, not just for myself but for the 50 or so other victims of this fraud. I have given my blood,my sweat,my tears and about $10,000 of my own money. Dave Sheiidan has done and given about the same , followed closely by Bill Grimes,Dave volkmann, John Zeller
and a few others who might want to be anonymous at this time.

Of the 50 or so victims only about 8 of us have fought this war the others have remained silent. To those I want to say this , now is the time for you to make a srance like Alan Shoemaker said . Yes we need financial help but your words of support on this blog will go a long way and could be vital in bringing this festering sore to an end.

If you dont comment I will only assume that you don’t care,you have written off your investment, but if you do nothing and we lose this case please do not come moaning to me. Mayeaux and his gang always counted on your apathy.

Now my friends think about it and say something on this blog and please consider this old saying ” FOR EVIL TO PROSPER GOOD MEN WILL DO NOTHING”

262 Carsten Korch April 3, 2008 at 2:27 pm

Dear Mike, Bill and all the others supporting the fight to keep the Amazon Golf Club in the hands of the original members and sponsors.

I’m happy to continue my support.

Mike – I thought you were going to visit me in Lima, which is why I haven’t sent you further funds.

I’ll be back in Lima next week, where I’ll try and call you.

Keep up the fight.

Best wishes – CK

263 Selvagringo April 3, 2008 at 2:31 pm

It seems commonplace to plead for understanding and support almost to the point of blame. Ever thought for a minute of those who cant do anything and how frustrating they must be watching the blog evolving around pity, backslapping and oneupmanship. Incapacitated we maybe, through lack of intellect or lack of filthy lucre but never lack of interest. Ryan deserves nothing , he has been duplicitous through out , he is a proven liar through his career, and thats without second guessing his private life and his attitude to the club.
For risk of being accused a hypocritical I wont congratulate anyone except those who have stood behind there beliefs in what is right with there time and money.
The minute we are able more will come from our direction, I hope those with the means see there is only one course to fight the good fight for a future without the gang of four. No matter what the incapcitated will have their day, on the course or off it, whatever it takes.

264 John Zeller April 3, 2008 at 4:07 pm

I was with you from the start, Mike.
I´ll be with you to the end.

265 Bill Tolia April 3, 2008 at 8:59 pm

To Mike and all the others, I really appreciate all your hard work in trying to get our club back. I can’t believe this has happened and am saddened to hear that people will say or do anything for a buck. I support you guys 100% and please let me know if I can be of any help. I hope to return to Iquitos in the future and would love to play a round at our beautiful course. God Bless!

266 David Volkmann April 4, 2008 at 5:20 am

I just got back from Iquitos. I was there for 14 nights. I can report to the rest of the investers that there not only is light at the end of the tunnel but we are finally there. I came back with an empty wallet and I am so thank full that my ATM card has a limit of $500.00 a day. It appeared to me it is costing about a $1,000.00 a month for the upkeep with no income. New equipment is being ordered everyday and the golf course from a distance has never looked so good. The club house which I felt should have been destroy and we start over again I have second thoughts about now. There is some good old world craftsmanship in the construction. The finishing isn’t the best but the structure is very stable. The operating license is in place and proceeding according to schedule.

For me it has always been a win win situation for me to be part of the “fab 4”. It never made any difference what the courts said, although I am happy that they have ruled consistently with us, we were right and they were thieves. This is not debateable. The “gang of 4” and there supporters has cost us thousands and thousands of dollars to keep what is ours. It is to bad our stock has been diluted and the value has shrunk.

I never had any dream of making money on this golf course no matter what I have said before on this blog. I cannot believe anyone else did either except for the “gang of 4”. It was kind of kool to tell my friends that I, sometimes I forgot to say “along with others”, own a golf course in the Amazon.

For those of us who visit or live in Iquitos it has been a blessing in disguise. We were able to find out that 4 people who we trusted and thought were our friends are evil people now instead of later. My hats off to those who stood alone against these people before it became popular to do so. As I spend more time with John Zeller I can see why so many people don’t like him, but here again he was one of the first to denounce these people. It is unbelievable that there are people that still use the “N” word,yet these 4 not only use it and mean it, Alan even used it on this blog.

I hope we can soon get some kind of elected body in place to manage the golf course. Other than the constitution, they have to be given power to make all the decisions. I encourse all to vote for the proposed constitution when it is prepared and make changes later so we can now proceed quickly.

To the 16 who took our lawnmower, and I don’t really care who has the receipt we know who paid for it and owns it, I DEMAND YOU RETURN IT NOW. As you can see we don’t care if we spend ten times the value of the lawnmower, your not going to get away with stealing from us. When the courts does an audit trail from where the money came from to pay for the lawnmower, they are not going to care who has the receipt either. For starters contact Mike and give the club your share that you claimed was yours. It would be nice to have it for a spare when the new equipment arrive.

Most important. There was a lot of promises made to us when we bought our shares. Free golf, membership in national golf organizations, make nothing but money off of our shares, transfer our shares or sell to who ever we wish, ect. PLEASE, tell Mike you realize that things have changed and all these promises can be implimented later if possible. Thieves infiltrating the organization was never considered by Mike or me. Mike thinks he has to keep every promise he made to us. He is gong to die fighing for all these promises unless he gets assurance from all of us we don’t expect this from him. He takes it personal that he allowed these 4 to be part of the club. At the time I thought these 4 were all good people.

The future. We will from time to time elect people who are going to make bad decisons and we are not going to agree with the way the golf course is managed. That is the problem when your involved in a partnership. Thieves will infiltrate again unless we make everyone accoutable in the future no matter how much we trust them.

This is still a small investment for all of us. I want to keep it. I want the fellowship of so many good people I have met that own shares in the golf course. Even John Zeller.

267 Steve McAlear April 4, 2008 at 9:58 pm

I am proud to be a founder member of the Amazon Golf club, as a project it has so much going for it, I like golf , I have been known to play! but for me the ‘investment’ was also a resource that gringos (resident and visitors) could share with local people. A philathropic project by those rude, bad tempered, burger eating blancos, that gives instead of taking. Personally I would like written into the constitution a schools programme and other measures to give ordinary Iquitenos the opportunity to at least try the sport.
Having a watering hole with such a great view will surely be sufficient a reward for the investors.
The Gringos have to see off the gang of 4 once and for all. Keeping the pressure up is very hard on Mick and those immediately around him, so I appeal to all members to support them in whatever way you can.

Sincerely

Steve

268 alan shoemaker April 4, 2008 at 10:43 pm

The number 1 green is 30 – 40% DEAD. Only about 10% of the course has been cut and if they could cut the rest with three people with weedeaters, as soon as they did so they would have to begin again, vicious cycle. so I’m guessing that all the other greens are in the same shape, reasonable logistics.
The Court has issued the date of 14th of April when the property would be put back in the hands of Ryan. I think. I can’t imagine any other way since the Superior Court decided to ANNUL the decision giving the property to Mike with no evidence WHAT SO EVER. Basically demnanded the lower court judge to reverse his findings. Well, he did do a reverse, he left Iquitos and is now working as a judge in Madre de Dios.
A new judge has been assigned and believe me, the entire courthouse is watching this case. My brother-in-law works there.
So it’s going to take quite a bit of funds to get the land back in the shape it was when it was turned over and an official assesor will be sent there to determine how much that would be. One of those people is Tony, professional golfer, and paid for a membership.
And DVolkman, I would have liked to have spent some time with you, heard you were here. … and just to clarify my mind, can you show me where and how I used the “N” word?

269 David Volkmann April 5, 2008 at 9:01 am

Ladies and gentlemen of the Amazon Golf Club. Alan comment is very interesting. How does he know what shape the golf course is in? You can’t see the condition of the golf course from the road. It is true there is a problem with green number 1. The police have told us not to tell anyone, but now that the cat is out of the bag might as well make it public news.

While the crew was triming the grass at the far end of the golf course they seen two men at green number 1. When they went to investigate the men fled in a white SUV. Come to realize they poured gasoline and other toxics on green number 1 and contaminated the soil. This along with all the other vandalism that has been done at the golf course is being repaired. It makes you wonder where Alan gets his information.

I am one for taking the law in my own hands and forget the court system. If someone has something that belongs to me just tear down fences, break down doors, shoot the watch dog that attacks and take what is mine home. It is much faster than the court system and the results are the same. And cheaper.

The legal process was taken instead and perhaps that was the best in this case. Bottom line WE HAVE WON EVERY TIME IN COURT. If you read the judges decisions you will see he always shows all of the arguments of the losing side so his decision cannot be appealed for not considering one of there facts. The conclusion is the only thing that counts. THE JUDGE HAS REJECTED THE APPEALS.

270 Mike Collis April 5, 2008 at 11:37 am

MORE SABOTAGE.

When we took possession of the course in August 2007 we invited the men who had worked for “the gang” to continue working for us. With threats made against them by Scurgio they refused and have been out of work ever since.
This last week one of those men in desperation came to the course asking for work. He was told, unfortunately there were no vacancies at that time. He said ” But I know what they’ve done to kill the greens”. We took him on and he went to the greens which have important drainage pipes underneath. He removed masses of rags from those underground pipes. Harly (thats his name)now has a job with us . He told me this morning that Scurgio had been to his house and threatened him again, but he said he is not frightened.

Alan what kind of people are you allied with ?

Alan , if what you say is true about getting the club back why have vandalized the course on a number of occasions ?

271 John Bernhart April 5, 2008 at 1:38 pm

Mike – You know I am behind you 100%. I hope I’m speaking for the rest of the disenfranchised owners who are not physically present when I say I deeply appreciate your continued efforts to solve this mess. It is very disheartening to hear of the vandalism going on but I hope you continue to keep your counter attacks within the bounderies of the legal system. there have been many insulting and derogatory entries on this blog, but you have always been polite and legalistic. I respect you for that.

David – I agree with your statement #268 that the priority is to get a new constitution and not be fixated on fullfilling the the exact conditions that were originally promised us. Once we get a Board of Directors, we can allow the members to vote on the conditions we want for the club.

Alan – I hope you are right about the April 14, decision to return control of the property to Ryan, although that doesn’t seem to be supported by any legal document I’ve seen on this blog. Perhaps you are privy to information that the rest of us aren’t. I also want to say that I admire your courage and tenacity in being the only voice of opposition on this blog. As a non-local, basically everything I read on this blog is hearsay – I have to rely on your integrity, as well as Mike’s, to decipher the truth. I believe that both you and Mike honeslty want what’s best for the club. I believe that the so-called “Gang of Four” are NOT men of integrity mainly because they have made NO effort to respond to the accusations on this blog, nor, to my knowledge, been willing to sit down with as many members as possible to work out a solution. I have never received an invitation from them for my voice to be heard, WHICH, AS A FOUNDING MEMBER, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY BEEN EXPECTING FOR MORE THAN A YEAR!

Mark – Don’t get me started. . . Alan doesn’t need me to defend him so all I’ll say is, stick to the facts about the golf club. Your personal attacks on Alan make you sound like a total Dillweed. ‘Nuf said.

272 alan shoemaker April 5, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Thanks John.
Actually I want to thank everyone here for everyone sincerely believes the accounts they write about.
The way I know about the green number one and that around 10 to 15 percent of the course has been cut
is because it can be seen from Ryan’s snake farm. Duh….

Apparently the new judge is a woman.

273 Bill April 5, 2008 at 4:56 pm

Duh…I took photos of the Amazon Golf Course this morning between 9 and 10:30. I am posting them at this link; http://dawnontheamazon.com/blog/amazon-golf-club-court-documents/ I still have several to post but it is Saturday and I have to pay my crew. I will post the rest either this evening or tomorrow. For fear of being called a dillweed (I like dill), or worse I will let the photos speak for themselves. Please let us know what you think of our course.

Bill Grimes

274 David Volkmann April 5, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Great pictures Bill. Now who is telling the truth about the condition of the golf course. Me or the “gang of 4”?

275 Harry Kelley April 6, 2008 at 5:53 am

Hello to everyone, I am still in Saudi Arabia staying very busy. I do not have internet access at my lodging and have limited time to browse here at work but did take an hour or so to catch up on events. All I can say in this matter with first hand knowledge, and knowing it to be the truth, is that Bill Gimes is one of the first if not the first member of the orginal golf club. I bought a membership from Serigo, through Mike’s advise, way back when yet I have never received a certificate so I KNOW that I paid for a membership however I am more sure of Bill being a member than I am.

Harry Kelley

276 Mark April 6, 2008 at 7:37 am

John,
Yes I have been stirring the pot so to say, and yes I have been aggitating Alan. You have not say much about what is going on more like “I like what you are doing keep it up”. There is a reason for my madness.
Mark

277 Bill April 6, 2008 at 7:46 am

To view photos of your golf course that you can be proud to own a share in, please click this link;

http://dawnontheamazon.com/blog/amazon-golf-club-court-documents/

You should be angry to know about vandalism to your greens. Some criminals plugged the drainage system under the greens before the judge threw them off the course for the LAST time. Mike is working to repair that vandalism. The drainage is open again. I do not have photos of two of the greens because workers were spreading compost on top and working on them when the photos were taken.

The course is not perfect, but you can see from the photos that it is a lot better than some have led you to believe, and it will improve every week. Remember that land was jungle in 2005. Remember the gang of four have our mowers and equipment. That is alright, we are doing fine thank you.

Bill Grimes

278 Mike Collis April 7, 2008 at 11:10 am

Thanks for your comment Harry.

Yes you are a Founder Member Harry because you bought Sergio Baragas’s only share from him for $400. this was in November 2005. Your memory must be failing you Harry because I remember you showing me your certificate signed by the then President Llens Brunner. I recall it because I remember your full name was on the certificate Harry Lynn Kelly.

So you are a Founder Member Harry and Sergio is NOT.

279 alan shoemaker April 8, 2008 at 3:24 pm

Where did Sergio get a share to sell?
Obviously the course needs lots of work but thanks for the photos Bill, the course is in better shape than I imagined.
Looks like a good start on the practice green too Mike. Hopefully it was made with drainage tubes in place?

280 alan shoemaker April 8, 2008 at 3:25 pm

Where did Sergio get a share to sell?
Obviously the course needs lots of work but thanks for the photos Bill, the course is in better shape than I imagined.
Looks like a good start on the practice green too Mike. Hopefully it was made with drainage tubes in place? And if we could get
a sandtrap beside the green, that would be great.

281 Mike Collis April 8, 2008 at 6:42 pm

Alan,
I first met Sergio in June 2004. He said he wanted to join us but had no cash.He said he had a good set of golf clubs which I accepted in lieu of cash.I knew the golf clubs were not worth the joining fee but he was a golfer and I thought (obviously incorrectly) that he would be an assett to the club.

282 alan shoemaker April 9, 2008 at 8:34 pm

I think he is an assett. But, how did he have a share to sell? Did someone give him a share or something? Doesn’t make sense.
So… now I start selling shares? Where did the money go from the share that he sold, which he didn’t have to sell?

283 Mark April 10, 2008 at 7:19 am

Alan read #283 again ok

284 Mike Collis April 10, 2008 at 10:17 am

Sergio had the $400 from Harry Kelly for his only share. Which means Harry takes Sergio’s place on the list of investers.

285 alan shoemaker April 10, 2008 at 5:11 pm

So Sergio sold his only share in the golf course to Harry. Then Sergio is no longer a member of the golf club as he didn’t have two shares to sale.

286 Mike Collis April 10, 2008 at 6:42 pm

You got it Al.

287 alan shoemaker April 10, 2008 at 8:08 pm

From what I recently was told, as of about three months ago Sergio was let go. He is not the golf pro, the gemeral manager, nothing. He’s been booted out.

288 Bill April 10, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Say what we will about Sergio, he is the only one that made money off the Amazon Golf Club…ha, ja, he, ji

Bill Grimes

289 David Volkmann April 11, 2008 at 1:35 pm

Alan your getting confused between the “Amazon golf club” and the “Amazon golf and country club” which you have decided to belong to instead of the first club mentioned. I believe Sergio sold his shares in the “Amazon golf club” before he joined the “Amazon golf and country club”. As I have said on earlier comments after reading the constitution of your club, your only assets is a lawnmower, which is in dispute as to ownership, and has nothing to do with the golf course at KM 5. It is only a fraternal organization of golfers. The “Amazon golf club” owns a golf course and consist of about 50 to 60 investors.

290 Mike Collis April 11, 2008 at 6:43 pm

Sorry Bill, Wrong !
Mayeaux made far more than Sergio.He sold dozens and dozens of golfclub shirts and hats making more than $10 a pop.

291 alan shoemaker April 11, 2008 at 7:30 pm

I’ve never seen any Caps Mike. And all the shirts were sold by Gerald but Sergio bought them and had them sewn up with the logo in Lima, and Sergio got all the profit, not Gerald.
Volkmann……. This club, that club, whatever… the point is that his share was sold, the ONLY one he had so that means he belongs to no club at all, your’s, there’s, his and her’s, this and that’s or whatever. why do you insist that you KNOW what is going on? No one does yet.
Regardless, he was liquidated already from what I understand.

292 David Volkmann April 11, 2008 at 8:41 pm

Yes I do know what is going on. I was at the court house in Iquitos on Monday and Tuesday at 8AM on March 31 and April 1 for the hearing where none of your gang appeared. Yes, as you have said the new judge is a woman. What difference this makes that you had to point it out confuse me. How can the court be expected to give an award to an individual or group if they don’t appear? This I can testify to personally. I have read the conclusions of the court hearings.

Sergio name, along with yours and 14 others, was on the constitution of the “Amazon golf and country club” that was posted to this or another blog linked to it. No one has come forward and said this was not a true and correct copy of this golfing group constitution and membership. I have no reason to believe that this status has changed or is incorrect.

Decisions are not being made at the YROT where I suspect you are getting your information instead of from the court. I have seen Gerald in court a very small percentage of times there has been a hearing. I have never seen you.

Like I have said before the INVESTERS HAVE WON AND YOUR GANG HAS LOST in every single hearing.

293 alan shoemaker April 11, 2008 at 9:22 pm

Dave Dave dave….
Get a grip.
there was no reason for anyone to have been at the courthouse on Monday and Tuesday March 31 and April 1st… What? Did some attorney tell you this?
The date is on Monday, the 14th of April my friend.
Why would you have been there on the dates you stated?

294 alan shoemaker April 11, 2008 at 9:24 pm

And more importantly, how much money did you pay and to whom?
This isn’t a joke, I find this very strange.

295 David Volkmann April 11, 2008 at 10:21 pm

There was a hearing at 8 AM on Monday March 31 and Tuesday April 1. I was there. THATS A FACT. I could tell you the name of others you know, 3 different individuals actually, that seen me outside the courthouse but I won’t. I am not giving more importance to one hearing over another or if I care if you or any of the other members of the “gang of 4” go or believe me. You accused me of not telling the truth of the golf course condition and my good friends had to prove you were wrong and I was right. I am not going to prove every statement I make to you when you never prove any of the claims you make. If my fellow members in the “Amazon golf club” ask for proof that is different.

I don’t understand your question about money in your comment 296. If your seen me visiting with some Colombians, they are my stepsons family from Calli. Wilma lived there for 9 years. I look at my step son as my son and his family as my family so I help them financially and in there own small way they help me if the need arises.

296 Bill April 12, 2008 at 7:07 am

It would be nearly impossible to be wrong by accident more than Alan Shoemaker, so I have to assume he has been assigned the job of muddying the waters by his peers in the gang of four. Of course there were hearings scheduled on the 31st and 1st. Richards, mayeaux, and Sergio never come to the hearings on the advise of their lawyer, to stall, delay and no doubt to limit the amount of perjury that would be required. We always go to the hearings. April 14th? We will use that date to establish Alan’s credibility. Good Luck.

Bill Grimes,

297 Mike Collis April 12, 2008 at 11:41 am

Ho Dear ! All 3 of your are wrong.

There was no hearing on the 31st March or lst April. Only I was summoned by the lady judge to clarify one or 2 points that she was’nt clear about. No one else was summoned only my lawyer and myself.
Alan there is no hearing this coming Monday 14th. There is however a hearing on Tuesday 15th when Mayeaux has to face theft charges brought against him by John Zeller. I and 3 others will be there as witnesses.

298 David Volkmann April 12, 2008 at 1:48 pm

Mike your wrong. Anytime your before a judge it is a “hearing” because she is “hearing” what one or more persons are saying. She is not necessarily making a decision or ruling.

Alan I have to say, many of us are surprised your one of them that want to take away the golf course from the 50 or 60 investers. If they would have been able to pull off stealing the golf course from us I am afraid they would have you on the outside looking in. We all believe you have been played as a chump. Now you have made your bed and you can sleep in it alone. As rumor has it, and this is only a rumor,there is a plan in the works as we speak to offer you up as the sacrifical lamb and blame you for everything. We don’t have the best informanents in your organization. It will be interesting how everything plays out now that you all are on the defense and we are on the offensive.

299 alan shoemaker April 14, 2008 at 6:27 pm

Volkmann, everything has to be black and white to you, doesn’t it?
I’m I’m not a member of your group, then I’m a member of the other group. That’s the logic you use.
I’ve told everyone here that I’m not a member of any group. I just report either what I know to be true or what I have heard. Sometimes that information is incorrect and sometimes it’s not. It’s eveyones’ business to put the pieces together and see what it looks like.
There’s no offense or defense Volkmann, it’s not about that at all. Sometimes you’re so busy pointing your finger at people that you literally can’t see the forest for the trees.

300 David Volkmann April 14, 2008 at 9:29 pm

YOUR RIGHT. Your not part of the 60 or so investers that we are fighting for.

301 David Volkmann April 15, 2008 at 4:11 pm

Alan I read your comment again. When you say what you heard on the street you mean the YROT. Right? NOW you say some of what you have been saying may not be true. You never said that before. You always reported the “GOSSIP” as thou it was gospel true. So now you admit you have been not telling the truth about anything in regards to the golf course. If you reported anything that was true in the past please repeat it.

In the meantime we, the investers, have won in court every single time. This is FACT. You and your gang have lost every time. Thats a FACT. Of course court rulings can be appealed if someone wants to appeal a court ruling. Until then the judges order stands.

302 Mike Collis April 16, 2008 at 10:14 am

Alan,
Not with them ? Not with us ?

“Birds of a feather flock together !”

303 David Volkmann April 16, 2008 at 3:58 pm

AMEN Mike. I wish I would have said that.

304 alan shoemaker April 16, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Hey Mike,
When you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas…. LOL

305 alan shoemaker April 16, 2008 at 4:27 pm

Hey Dave,
If you don’t change your views, your life will be like this forever. Is that good news?

306 alan shoemaker April 16, 2008 at 4:31 pm

And Sheridan,
the grand essentials to happiness in this life are having something to do, something to love, and something to hope for.
You only barely have something to do, loving yourself doesn’t count, and you’re hopeless.

307 alan shoemaker April 16, 2008 at 4:34 pm

Volkmann wrote: Of course court rulings can be appealed if someone wants to appeal a court ruling. Until then the judges order stands.

Well, finally got something right did we Volkmann? Feeling like a Big Dog now, aren’t ya!

Yes, appeal is what happened and the Superior Court annuled the lower court order. But thanks for letting everyone know that court cases could be appealed.

308 alan shoemaker April 16, 2008 at 9:16 pm

And just one more thing before I get tired of playing with guys:
Volkmann, where did you go to school? or did you?

The word is “though” not “thou”.

so, to be succinct, “thou” is used as in: THOU shalt not make yourself look stupid on a blog.

“Though” is used as: I showed my ignorance of the English though I didn’t want to.

Lesson no. 2: Contractions
“Your” has possession. Like this: Hey Dave Volkmann, you lost your ability to access Ryan’s land because of “YOUR” idiotic comments and beliefs.

“You’re” is a contraction. It works like this: Instead of being very formal and having to speak each word and syllable, we cut them short and more fluid by putting the two together. For instance: I report here to everyone what I hear, I don’t (see the contraction there) check it out for authenticity first. You’re (note the ‘ there, denotes “You are”) assuming I do and Dave Volkmann or Big Dog or however you wish to refer to yourself living outside of Iquitos and thinking you really know what’s going on), you senor, with all respect, really don’t have a clue.

309 alan shoemaker April 16, 2008 at 9:24 pm

As I understood it from the “legal side”, there was to have been “the” hearing on the 14th. Then that didn’t happen. So apparently what that meant was that it was on the new judge’s agenda on the 14th but a date has not yet been decided, kind of like: “I’ll get to it when I can”. No doubt this judge has much more important things on her agenda than squabbles between a bunch of gringos.
Anyway, I also heard “rumour like” that Peter Schneider has invited everyone to a party at his lodge. So now what is everyone going to do? I think that Adam, Gerald, Sergio, etc. all want to go. So what are the others to do? What’s going to happen if Zeller, Collis, Grimes, etc. go at the same time? Should we put up a boxing rink or something? Personally, heartfully, can everyone let his go as water under the bridge? I know I can, I’ve always been there. I know Mike can, he even told me: “Alan, I hope you don’t take these things personally.” And I don’t. People get mad, tempers flare, but we’re actually children… if we want to be, and this passes. You don’t have to take it to bed. It’s a good clean and stupid fight, no more.

310 Bill April 16, 2008 at 10:34 pm

I didn’t intend to come out and play tonight, knowing Alan is trying to lead us down the proverbial garden path away from home. Alan, you remind me of the Amazon legend, the Chullachaqui, who looks like family or a friend, acts like he wants to help, motions for the unsuspecting person to follow, and when they are completely lost in the forest, the Chullachaqui disappears.

I would estimate that around twenty of the most insightful displays of common sense comments on this blog were written by Dave Volkmann. Alan your inability to understand simple concepts indicate that grammer is not necessarily an indicator of intellegence. I estimate that none of your comments rank in the top 311 for common sense content. Your comment # 308 toward David Sheridan was mean spirited, and wrong.

While you were enjoying the benefits of higher education, learning grammar, story telling, acting, and how to whistle in West Virginia, Dave Volmann and I both joined the Marine Corps and served our country. Many people consider that an equally honorable alternative to learning contractions.

I am feeling a contraction coming so I will close now, stopping just short of what I really want to say. No, no, I can say it, you are a damn dumb dillweed and don’t even know it.

Bill Grimes

311 Mark April 17, 2008 at 7:28 am

Hey
Mr. English Major yes You Alan Your comment in #311- “Should we put up a boxing rink or something?” Hey dillweed it is RING NOT RINK….

312 alan shoemaker April 17, 2008 at 12:12 pm

I was hoping you’d call me on that DV. If you put up a boxing “ring”, you guys would just be boxing yourself in circles the entire time, just the way this blog has a tendency to get.
And Bill G., it’s Kentucky not West Virginia.
I respect your military service, both of you. I was drafted for Vietnam as I would never have enlisted in that type of a War for anyone.
Thank God they lowered the draft number just at the last minute cause this “dumb dillweed” was headed to Canada.
And “contractions”? We learned those in the third grade.

313 alan shoemaker April 18, 2008 at 8:00 pm

Well, no comment it seems from DV…
For all it’s worth, it is a boxing ring, not a boxing rink… as he so resoundingly corrected me…
Skaters use a rink DV, not boxers.

Anyway, we’re all getting pretty tired of all of this, right? Right. I am amazed how Ryan has maintained his blood pressure. I know Mike never had any intention to take over and keep the land. He just wanted things to be completely on the “up and up”.
There “was” a golf course with members. When it began, Bill Grimes bought the first membership. I bought one of those too.
Then we discovered that… blah, blah, blah… everyone knows this already about the incongruent constitution.
My understanding is that Peter Schneider has invited all of us to his compound for a “grand opening”. I know that he’s been working on his lodge… so, who will go? Or will you be afraid of some gringo that you’ve lambasted? I would hope there would be no need for that.. we are gentlemen, right? So let’s get together and stop fighting. We all want the same thing, right?
We want a golf course and a place to hang out. All of your personal problems about personalities should be put aside, after all, you’re
one of the personalities too, right? We all are or we wouldn’t be here.
There’s another amazing discovery that everyone needs to know about but not at this moment. It will definitely “highlight” the situation.

314 Mark April 19, 2008 at 7:44 am

Alan
pay attention please….#313 about ring and not rink was from me. and you wonder why people do not understand or believe you when you write something

315 David Volkmann April 19, 2008 at 11:38 am

Mr. Peter Schneider, who I don’t know, has not invited me to any compound. So your understanding is wrong again about the circumstances. Or perhaps “all of us” means something different that I think It means.

316 alan shoemaker April 20, 2008 at 8:40 am

Peter didn’t send out personal invitations… just a general invite is what I understand… like: “You’re all invited..”
So don’t take it personally DV.
Mark, grow up please.

317 Mark April 20, 2008 at 3:36 pm

No Alan
sorry I am having to much fun here. 🙂

318 alan shoemaker April 20, 2008 at 6:43 pm

Yeah, I can see it’s a joke for you Mark from all your comments on this blog from the beginning. Such is the pity, you’re just here to egg people on. I’m sorry for you.

319 Mark April 21, 2008 at 6:54 am

Alan
do not feel sorry for me you are the one that needs people to feel sorry for. you for being with gerald. Ryan maybe a little differant but you are something else. you try to ride the fence knowing what gerald and the others have done is wrong. me I know it is not a joke that they were trying to take from the 60 investors but I do get a big laugh with some of your comments, as I am sure the others do to.

320 alan shoemaker April 21, 2008 at 8:44 pm

no one did anything wrong intentionally, that’s the point here Mark.
Maybe one day you will get that.

321 Mark April 21, 2008 at 10:22 pm

Alan
gerald did it intentionally dude and everyone knows it but you..He did it because of his overblow ego

322 alan shoemaker April 23, 2008 at 10:37 pm

All these comments are just games now, have been for a long time.
It’s kinda like, “get someone to say something…”
So that could be used in court.
Well Mark, or whoever you are…as well as the other species that “praytell” their reality to others?… everyone knows this too.
Doesn’t go unmarked at all.
Do you know what the penality is for impersonating another individual is on the net? It’s criminal. Once convicted, you will do you “sign in” for a year and then you will be deported. Period. That’s the law. But that is only for people that are convicted for 4 years. Convicted of more? Go to jail, do not pass go. Hopefully, no matter what has passed, no one will be in this situation… knock on wood and I couldn’t imagine anything else. If any criminal charges come to fruition? the law states that that person completes his: signing in and when that is done, he or she is deported…
As I remember, DV brought the subject up of assasination… and I quickly told him that that was absurd… thank god I never heard another word about that. This is still a gentlemen’s club… some personalities will never be able to get along with others… that’s no problem.. we just schedule another “t-time”… The world is not perfect, yet… but we can make it so.

many are quite confused, I am too… but I have my eyes on the light and I actually can see what has been happening…
And if I were to tell you this now, everything would change. There has been a conspiracy to steal the golf course… you guys are correct. But the culprits are not who you think they are.

323 David Volkmann April 24, 2008 at 1:39 pm

Prey tell. Who are they?

324 alan shoemaker April 24, 2008 at 9:43 pm

That info is coming soon to a theatre near you… Hold your breath, it won’t be too long.

325 david sheridan April 25, 2008 at 10:57 am

308 And Sheridan,
the grand essentials to happiness in this life are having something to do, something to love, and something to hope for.
You only barely have something to do, loving yourself doesn’t count, and you’re hopeless.

Comment by alan shoemaker — April 16, 2008 @ 4:31 pm

Hey Alan, I have a rather successful business, many children who fill my life with love, a multitude of friends in many countries, a beautiful home and, a wife who shares my passion for life and relates to me very well. Further, I can travel freely from country to country without fear of apprehension. I only have one person who disparages me (gee who could that be)and I hope my life remains as rewarding as it is now. How does that compare with your 308 comment, Alan. Who is hopeless? On the other hand, why do I bother?

326 Bill April 25, 2008 at 11:21 am

To all of the member/investors of what used to called the Amazon Golf Club, before it was dissolved, and to all of you folks that have followed along with this farce, a new chapter to the story has been written and published on the Captains Blog, titled

Amazon Golf Course, Iquitos Peru, Open under New Management.

Please read the article carefully and follow the links to the new Amazon Golf Course web site, and blog.

With your help, we can accomplish our goals to protect the rights of the investors, to insure the success of the Amazon Golf Course, to promote golf tourism to our charming city, and to provide an opportunity for the people of Iquitos to enjoy the game of golf. I mean it, we need your help. Step up to the tee!!!

Thank you,
Bill Grimes

327 John Bernhart April 25, 2008 at 3:47 pm

It seems like my word “dillweed” has become quite the catchphrase. Sorry Canada Shawn for being such a prude but that’s about as derogatory as I can get. Bill, I saw your photos – the club looks beautiful. I also enjoyed the web site very much. Please put the photos there as well. Just thinking out loud but if someone has a registry of golf courses in the U.S. and Europe, I think we should send each course the directions to the website and ask them for donations of money and or equipment in eschange for honorary memberships.

A few questions;
1. Are all 9 holes up and ready to play?
2. What happened to the April 14 court date? Has another date been established?
3. Is the Iquitos Chamber of Commerce involved in our case? (for tourist reasons, it would seem that they would have a vested interest in seeing this come to closure)
4. Are there still plans to buy the adjacent property so we can eventually build another 9 holes?
5. Is there any way we can get the lawnmower back?
6. Did I read the website correctly that a bucket of balls costs $10? Seems a little spendy, doesn’t it?

I just bought a car and a motorcycle so I’m a bit strapped for cash but I will gladly donate a few hundred dollars toward the improvement of the course. I know it’s not much but every bit counts. Mike do you have an account that I can deposit the money in? I don’t know when I’ll make it back to Iquitos.

328 John Bernhart April 25, 2008 at 3:52 pm

Gentlemen, according to the Mayan calendar, abnormal sunspot activity, the weakening of Earth’s magnetic shield, the immenent eruption of the Yellowstone super volcano, and the Galactic particle storm that our solar system is moving into, the world as we know it will end in 2012 (if you take the worst case scenerio). If this is the case, we have precious little time to build a club and play some golf!!

These are all true events that are happening or will be happening soon, but even if they DON’T spell the end of the world, we should act as if it is and get off our butts and PLAY SOME GOLF!!!

329 Bill April 25, 2008 at 5:04 pm

Hi John, “dillweed” makes me smile. I am not satisfied with my photos. I have not captured the character of the course yet. Both times I took photos, the workers had spread compost on the greens the day before. That is one of the best things that could happen for the greens, but not so good when I was there to photograph. As soon as we get great photos that show a great golf course, we will put them on the web site. Everyone that goes to play golf should pack a camera with your machete, ha, ja, he, je…and submit your best photos for the Amazon Golf Club Blog, and an article about your experience.

1. Yes all 9 holes are ready to play, but they will all benefit from some more tender lovin’ care. We need a special greens mower. 2. April 14th came and went, like all the other dates before. No date has been established that I know of. 3. I think the chamber of commerce, and every other government agency, is waiting for the dust to settle. 4. ? 5. Yes, we have plans to get the lawnmowers back, either through the court system, or barter. Which ever they prefer. 6. I should have put in the web site that members get a bucket of balls for the driving range for free. Members only pay if they loose balls.

A few hundred dollars would be a big help. Yes the Amazon Golf Course has a bank account and a RUC (tax) number, so you can be sure your donations are going where you want, for what you want.

John, I agree. We have wasted enough time…

Bill Grimes

330 alan shoemaker April 25, 2008 at 9:18 pm

I’m amazed… I can play golf again.
That’s incredible.
But…it’s not over yet. There’s some really weird shit that no one will believe…
Can’t speak about it yet, but would like to talk to Bill G.. I’ll drop by.

331 Bill April 25, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Yes Alan, I would like for you to play golf this weekend, and stop by to tell me all about it. It is hard to imagine there could be weirder shit than what we have already been through.

Bill Grimes

332 alan shoemaker May 8, 2008 at 9:15 pm

We all have to be pleased that ANYONE is out there playing golf.
However, the lower court judge has yet to re-write the Superior Court’s decision that the other lower court judge issued, giving the control of the course to Mike. That judgement was annuled because of lack of evidence to have made the decision in the first place.
The new judge will rule on this shortly.. Anyway, let’s play golf now and forget about the “Fore!”
And might i suggest that you check out the first entry when you come to the blog… It’s an excellent receipe and has my mouth watering!

333 Bill May 8, 2008 at 9:36 pm

Thanks Alan, lets eat some fresh Rosemary Croquetas, play golf and be happy.

Bill Grimes

334 Mike Collis May 9, 2008 at 10:25 am

Yesterday 9th May 2008 was exactly 9th months since we took back controll of our golf course. Over those last 9 months we have spent about $12,000 on the course so if anyone thinks a judge would reverse the decision of another judge, think again.

335 Mike Collis May 9, 2008 at 10:36 am

Our Amazon Golf Course officially opened on the lst May 2008 with everything nesessary to operate legally.
We intend to fulfill our mission and bring golf to the Amazon. We will soon start giving lessons to local people but we have only 3 sets of golf clubs which will cause a problem.
Our previously liquidated Amazon Golf Club had at least 12 sets of clubs which were
the property of that club.
I set was used by Sergion Bargas to buy his share.
1 set was used by Delmar de Aguila to purchase his share.
Tony Espejo donated one set of clubs, and
David and Wilma Volkmann donated about 8 sets.
The lima Golf Club donated driving range mats and
the US Embassy in Lima donated 36 cups for the greens.

NONE of the above items was donated to Mayeaux’s new regime . They were donated to the Amazon Golf Club so we don’t have reciepts and neither does Mayeaux. We demand the return of this stolen golfing equipment. If they have just one ounce of decency between them they will return the equipment.

336 alan shoemaker May 9, 2008 at 8:16 pm

I hear you Mike…
But what I forsee happening is this: The Lower Court judge will give the control of the property back to Ryan, who has basically been living there for 25 years or more in a “CONTANIER”…house connected most of the time…
That’s pretty obivous. Ask Cleave, he’ll tell you straight away.
then? All of us will have to start a new club, all over again.
That’s not a problem.

337 alan shoemaker May 9, 2008 at 8:46 pm

But there’s more, of course. This has been a long process, people have actually taken sides for no reason… Well, there were reasons but let’s not get into that. what matters now is that there is an incredible 9 hole course, beautiful! And there’s denuncios flying around, criminal charges against FELLOW gringos… and this is the real problem. More of less it’s abuse of the Peruvian syatem of law.
Mike is mad at.. and Bill is pissed at… and Zeller is pissed at… and and and and and… so denuncios bring you into court, you hire lawyers, etc. etc. etc.. And the worst part is that if any of those denuncions stick, and they are criminal? You will sign in for a couple of year every month at the courthouse and then you’ll be deported. That’s the law here.
Or, there’s another law for “gringos” that can be put into effect: Guilty of a criminal charge? You can be immediately deported.
“Look before you leap” is what I was brought up with. And now many people are looking for a place to leap, I think. This is such a silly way to live here, as I told you from the beginning. Solve problems within the community, don’t involve Peruvian law. As excellent as it is, it will never suffice. If there is a personality problem, it can be dealt with, without the law.
Thank God my children are just children and could not have followed this catastorphe. I would be extremely embarassed by most everyones’ behaviour. We all are now.
And so, what do the lawyers do? They probably get you to put them on a monthly salary.. been there, done that. so what happens when that comes along? What attorney would actually like to “solve” the problem? why would they, except if you give them some incredible bonus. And that’s not going to happen cause you have judges here. And you know you can’t pay them. If you did and they screwed up they would jump back to where they were born, get their asses out of here, goose cooked, probably sent there from those higher ups that don’t want a scandal… thinking they can run… but not realizing that they can’t hide.
And so now, it’s posted that there’s another golf course open on Ryan’s land. Come one, come all, pay your fees and play golf. There is no justice until Ryan has his property back. There is no golf course what so ever. I can appreciate what has happened, but much beyond that is Ryan and his land. This will not be. It can not be. It will not happen. There MUST be another way that makes everyone satisified.
And this will too happen. What I am concerned about now is that when Ryan gets his land, he will become a dictator. Ryan? You read this everyday. Most everyone got involved with this because they were confused, you know that. And then, people took sides… because that’s the way things get set up. It’s either White or Black. But you know that’s not what it is Ryan. Yes, there are some people that deserve the shit they make. I don’t care about them either. Others got on the bandwagon, believing they were innocently doing the right thing…
Hell, I’m on one too… but just for the idea that you own and control your property.
Everyone should first of all understand that.
then we all can talk.
and stop this bullshit.

338 Mark May 10, 2008 at 2:23 am

Alan
that all sounds nice but what kept (#1)gerald and or (#2) ryan from getting with the group of investors or (#3) get with Mike and get the email addresses or (#4)have Mika email everyone on the list what was being planned instead of just doing it and expective everyone to just “go along or get out without what you invested in this project” attitude. What if you had a partner in your business and he suddenly thought he could do it a better way than you and just took over. Would you lay down and let him have it or would you say “hey that is not just yours it is mine and I want to do it my way because I (as in this case it is a they)” have more money invested in it. And he said sorry abuot that, but I have already closed your business bacuase it was not a legal business, so i decided it needed to be closed for your own good and it is in our names now not yours. Would you be upset or “Pissed”?

339 Bill May 10, 2008 at 6:13 am

Ryan Richards, it is good to know you read this every day. You and I know the truth. You told me your plans in those many hours of arguments we had at the Yellow Rose of Texas, before the Amazon Golf Club was dissolved. You lectured me on how it should be. I listened, and learned and disagreed. You can lie to Alan and the other golfers, you can not lie to me. I know you, and I don’t like you.

I remember how in Toothbrush Minnesota, if members of a club, you used the example of a chess club, did not want you in the club, you would not want to be in the club would you? You would not cause trouble, would you?

I remember how you researched the constitution on the internet, how you and Sergio put it together, and then how it came up wrong and the club had to be dissolved to change it.

I remember well how you maneuvered so only the golfers that live in Iquitos could be on the board of directors, and how you took up golf your self. How a member/investor had to play in golf tournaments to have an opinion. I remember you spitting pieces of egg sandwich out of your big mouth at the Yellow Rose of Texas as you explained how only golfers could know how to run a golf course. You golfers could not have ruined a good thing faster. Those same golfers that lived in Iquitos and played in a tournament later became the only members in the infamous Amazon Golf and Country Club. How all they got was 1/16th of a stolen mower. Ha, ja, funny…

I remember sitting with you in Ari’s, you were eating chocolate cake and ice cream with the spit coming out of your mouth when you told me how you would throw everyone off and take over the golf course and you and your brother would run it. That part still makes me laugh because mayeaux and andrews thought they were part of it. Sergio thought he was part of it, Alan still thinks he will be part of it. ha, ja, ha, ja. That is great. What a bunch of cut throat, opportunistic, dishonorable, lying, losers. Alan must not have any memory. I know for a fact you have hated him for years. YOU told me so. In fact, you hate damn near everyone.

There is so much more I could reveal about you, but what is the point. You already know, and I know. That is all I care about. Keep that in mind…

Bill Grimes

340 Bill May 10, 2008 at 6:29 am

Judicial systems in every country are established to keep criminals from taking over. They are a tool to use instead of violence. I have confidence that justice will be served.

Bill Grimes

341 Mike Collis May 10, 2008 at 10:58 am

Come on Ryan answer Bill’s accusations. I know you are a “dodger” a long term,well experienced “dodger” but don’t dodge this one.

342 alan shoemaker May 10, 2008 at 9:15 pm

There was a time that Ryan didn’t speak to me for a year…
That’s passed now. It was about bringing tourist to his boa farm.
We all know that Ryan has a verbal agreement on the golf course. Ryan knows this too.
If Ryan sat around with cake and ice cream, spitting it out as he ate it, telling you that perhaps he and his brother would take this course over… that would be exactly like we comment every day about taking over Loreto or Iquitos…
ryan never had any intention to do that Bill, I spend hours with him every week. I know when he is imagining things and I know when he is serious.

This is really ALMOST a moot point now. The judge will make a new declaration in the next few days, weeks… who knows? This is really way down on her list right now.

Ryan won’t respond here. Why would he?

343 Mark May 11, 2008 at 10:46 am

Yea you are right Alan why would he want to justify his actions to a group of people he is trying to steal from. He knows he was and is wrong. No way to defend himself. Answer my comment #341 or maybe ryan would if he was a man and did not need anyone to defend him or had a good reason to defend himself.
ryan just open up and tell everyone why you and gerald did this behind the investors backs instead of out in the open with honesty
CAN YOU

344 David Volkmann May 11, 2008 at 4:31 pm

Alan what is worst the one who speaks bullshit or the one who spreads it. You keep spreading all this bull your asssoiciates tell you and much of it is lies. I see finally they realize they can be punished criminally for stealing. This matter is with the district attorney and there is nothing any of us can do about that now.

Civil complaints are different. They can be dropped or negotiated. Alan I don’t understand why you never go to court and get the real truth. I have never seen you there. You get all your information from the YROT. They pratically never show up when ordered to by the judge either. I see in the last week the owner of the YROT,not Gerald, was in court with Sergio. Maybe you don’t know who owns the YROT on paper for sometime now. Of course there is no audit trail to show how that came about. Thats another story.

Foreclosures is a way of life in any country with law and order. When you have improvements made to your land, even if you don’t order them done but know about them, you have to pay for them or lose your land. Thats the way it is in the states and that is the way it is in Peru.

THERE IS NO LOWER COURT DECISION THAT IS BEING OVER TURNED. Read the Superior courts decision. The opinion told all the reason why they should so that it is clear that they considered there argument in the appeal. The conclusion is the law. THE LOWER COURTS DESISON REMAINS IN TACT.

I know I stand alone on this, but I would propose as I have before that Ryans land be returned to the way we found it, get some farmer with a tracter out there and burn down the golf club. We would lose our investment and it would be over. Ryan would have nothing to complain about. If one or more investers want to build a golf course they can do the same as they can now. Build one. Don’t steal one because there are no more.

And you Mike. You are a dreamer. The only way the gang of 4 and the other 12 are going to return what they steal is when they are off to deportation or jail. Then it will be to late.

Alan I don’t understand why you can’t see it is over. Now it has to be determined which of you are going to be deported, go to jail, make restitution, or pay a fine. All the lawsuits that have been filed in the expat community is one on one. I have nothing to do with that. I can only cheer on my favorite horse. No money have they received from anyone. Just emotional support.

When they come to get you, don’t think you can claim ignorance of the law. Your signature is on documents. I probably should be saying “you all” so my english is correct for those from Kentucky.

345 David Volkmann May 11, 2008 at 8:39 pm

Stealing is a crime. Crimes are committed by criminals. In many countries you get your hands cut off for stealing the first time. Stealing is everywhere in civilized countries because we are to lien with these criminals. Deportation will be an easy sentence. In the USA I want every thief deported after they get a good beating. This is the way most non criminals feel.

346 Mike Collis May 12, 2008 at 6:53 pm

Yesterday evening I was on the riverfront boulevard when I saw 2 tourists outside a bar. I gave them a copy of my Iquitos Times newspaper. The front page headlines are “Amazon Golf Course Opens Under New Management”. One guy said we’re golfers and the owner of the golf course told us this morning that he was the ownwer and that the course would not be open for at least another 2 months. “THe owner” I said ” Yes the guy that runs the texas bar”. I told them 3 things ;
1.The Amazon Golf Course is open.
2. That guy is not the owner, and
3. If you want to play a round just call round to my office a pay your green fees.
They went out to the course today.

The 2 guys now join the ever growing crowd of people who know Mayeaux is an habitual liar.

347 Mike Collis May 25, 2008 at 10:15 am

DEAD , DEAD ! Ring Carlos Luis Flores the fastest funeral service in Iquitos.
We’ll have the deseased out of the house and down the chute within an hour.

Free set of wine glasses with every certified stiff.
Ring 23 1167

348 Bill June 3, 2008 at 1:42 pm

Today the judge declared Ryan Richards guilty of violent trespass, and sentenced him to a two year prison term, suspended, S/3,000 payment to Mike Collis, plus court cost, and lawyer fees, sign in once a month to prove he has not fled the country. In short, we won. Personally I am not satisfied. I thought the judge was too lenient, but we won.

The Amazon Golf Course is open to the public and all of the original investors except mayeaux, richards, andrews, and barjas, who are banned for inappropriate behavior. Please check in with Mike Collis at the Amazon Golf Course office before going to the golf course. The course manager will not allow you to play without Mike’s written permission.

Bill Grimes

349 Mike Collis June 4, 2008 at 10:42 am

This is a hollow victory for me, no I am not happy that it had to come to this, I am not laughing. I want to add that I think that 20 years of living alone in a shipping container has took a toll on Ryans mind, he is not at all a well man.

Yesterday the hearing for Ryans verdict was at 9.00 a.m. he turned up at 9.10 alone and there was quite a few people there to listen`and watch. He sat alone and stared at the lady judge, who then asked Ryan “Where is your lawyer?”. He said ” I don,t know, I’m not his keeper! ” The judge replied “Then you will have a lawyer provided by the court”. A few minute later the lawyer arrived and sat by Ryan. In a rage Ryan said” Who is this man ?”. The judge said “You were told to come with your lawyer, you did not so I have provided one for you”. Ryan then said “I do not know this man and I will not co operate”. The judge asked Ryan “Who is your lawyer?”. Ryan replied ” Can’t remember!”. The Chief Prosecuter there said ” I know who he is so I will get him here now”. Ryans lawyer arrived about 20 minutes later, and the hearing started. The Judge asked Ryan to stand up, but he just shrugged his shoulders. His lawyer advised him to stand up and after a short while he reluctantly stood up and was read the sentence which Bill has set out in the previous comment.

His lack of respect for the Judge and the Chief Prosecuter was not the behaviour of a normal person living as a guest in a foriegn country. If he had acted like this in the U.K. he would have been charged with Contempt of Court, I think the judge was very lenient with Ryan. I pity Ryan.

350 Bill June 4, 2008 at 11:53 am

I know mayeaux. He is a bad man. He is sure to do something stupid. Lets catch him.

351 James Richardson June 4, 2008 at 5:12 pm

Mike, stealing the property of another person is wrong! You can rationalize all you want but Ryan lived there for 20 years plus unmolested and it is his property. I am sure that this is far from over and what comes around goes around!!! I guess that you have plans to start advertising a golf package as part of your boat cruises, Bill! From my perspective, anyone who steals or attempts to steal another person’s land cannot be trusted! I would not do business with that person or persons!

352 Bill June 4, 2008 at 6:04 pm

Jim Richardson, you have been in complete denial about who is stealing what from whom from the beginning. Where have you been? You never even tried to find out the truth. You never came to my office to talk me. You talked to mayeaux. Go ahead and trust Richards, mayeaux, andrews, and barjas. Don’t trust me. See what happens to you. You are not a investor/member so they did not steal from you. Go into partnership with them. See how you come out.

Bill Grimes

353 David Volkmann June 4, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Mr. James Richards,
Please enlighten me and everyone else as to why you think this land is/was Ryans? Because a monkey lives in the jungle is the jungle his? Iquitos is a civilized city with law and order. You own property you have title. Your a squatter on property your not the owner. It is pretty simple. Living on property does not give you ownership.

What country are you from?

354 James Richardson June 5, 2008 at 9:43 am

To coin a phrase from my figther pilot experience…there is no post attack vector for your logic sir. Your statement says alot about your ethics and thought process.

355 Mike Collis June 5, 2008 at 10:33 am

To Jim,
I have known you for some time now and have always respected your integrity and intelligence. I am absolutely astounded at your position on this matter.

This so called “golf war” has been going on now for just over 2 years. During those 2 years we have invited the other party to negotiate and come to a mutually acceptable compromise.

An offer they just laughed at.

You have based your opinion on information from one side despite numerous invitations by Bill to see the other side and come to an unbiased conclusion.

To this date you have never taken up that invitation so your opinion is biased.

Some months ago on I posted a message on this blog directed at Ryan. I invited him to negotiate with me and come to a satifactory mutually acceptable agreement. In that same comment I said if he did not and the court case went to the wire he would get nothing.

Ryan just laughed at such a suggestion.

You Jim, on this blog critised us, saying that we were holding a “Kangaroo Court” on the internet. You suggested that we stop the blog and let the problem be decided in court.

The court has decided and still you demonize us.

356 David Volkmann June 5, 2008 at 12:52 pm

Correct me if I am wrong but in court on Monday Ryan was sentence for a criminal act which the district attorney prosecuted. Not Mike or Bill or anyone else prosecuted. There was no sentencing for ownership of any land or occupation of such. No possession of land changed hands. Ryan is still living in his container and raising snakes.

So why do you Mr. Richardson say anyone was stealing Ryans land?

357 John Bernhart June 16, 2008 at 12:29 pm

With Ryan’s recent conviction, it seems we have entered a new phase of the Golf War. Let’s hope that we are entering a period of ‘détente.’ I agree with Jim Richardson, as I have always stated, that it would be immoral to kick Ryan off his land. Whether he owns the land or not, a squatter in any country has certain rights after living on the land for a period of time.

On the other hand, Ryan DID enter an agreement to develop the golf course and apparently has not honored that agreement, thus giving the investors certain rights to take possession of the property in which they made improvements upon.

The bottom line is that no respectable golf club can have a big metal container in the middle of it (the snake farm can stay – it could be an added attraction for visitors). I propose that we let bygones be bygones and make an agreement with Ryan to build him an actual house. It might take a while to raise the money but I think this would be a big step in compensating Ryan for allowing us to build the Golf Club in the first place.

One last Question – Alan, in comment No.333, you stated, “But…it’s not over yet. There’s some really weird shit that no one will believe… Can’t speak about it yet . . . .”

Can you talk about it now? Fill us in!!

358 Mark June 16, 2008 at 6:05 pm

Hi Mr. Bernhart.
Did you read #358 that Mike wrote. He has tried this more than once. Now you and everyone knows he lied and lost and now you want to reward him for this. Yea ok but first take out of money you collect should go to pay Mike back and all of the others that have chipped in to fight this, then replace everything they have stolen… Then if there is any left help him out but if people know who and what it is for , I doubt you would collect much.

359 alan shoemaker June 17, 2008 at 11:52 pm

Things have passed, we have in sort, ¨moved on¨. however, one primary fact will always remain: The land belongs to Ryan Richards. (Period, exclamation point).
Now, Ryan made an agreement that he would lease his land to the golf course, this was a verbal agreement with many witnesses as well. Ryan still owns the land and will forever. In fact, he will one day actually have title to it too. He has had the land in possession, by virtue or this title from Peru, for 27 or so years… no one can deny this. He has NEVER been a ¨squatter¨, he has paid taxes and lived there for years. Period.
However, he did make a contract that we could build a golfcourse there, and we did.
Ryan owns this land and ¨shall¨be paid for us using his land for a golfcourse… and continue to live there and conduct his business. Intrestingly enough, he was actually beginning to like playing golf as well… which many of you seem to detest. This really erks me as those that don´t understand the game are so vociferious! Seems what you really want is a ¨country club¨, a social club! That´s what happened to Club Tennis… Tennis is really not much part of it, it´s just a social club. That´s why golfers should be on the BOD´s. Period too…
Many people have jumped on bandwagons… you can jump off anytimne. For me, whoever purchasted a membership has a right to play golf. There is not other answer.
Ryan gave away the rights to his property to the golf course…. But he is/was to be paid for this at the moment that it is opened. Apparently that is now as well.
I don´t remember but I think he gets something like 2000 dollars a year… somebody correct me here if I´m wrong.
So while I do know that he owns the land and will have title, the Directors of the Golf Course decide who gets to play golf.
I very much respect the postion that Ryan is in and I am on his side, however.. The golf club and Ryan´s property are two different entities.
Ryan must understand this as well.
And for those others out there that believe that there are sides? There are not. We are fighting now to have a Golf Course here in Iquitos. And there were some members that bought ¨split shares¨, which later turned out that they were not split. That should be water under the bridge. Hell! I thought that I too could sell a share. So, as far as I am concerned (and many others that I have spoken too), anyone that bought what they believed to be a legitimate share has one and is respected for that. Period. Harry and Sergio included and any other strange transactions!
Enough is enough. let it go, let bygones be. Let´s move on.
And Ryan or Gerald or Bill or Mike or …. anyone speaking about how anyone else has slandered them or misrepresented the facts or misunderstood them? Everybody makes mistakes and anyone commenting on tnis blog did so because they sincerely believed that what they were told was the truth… Can we just let this go to a very large and general ¨misunderstanding¨of the facts at the time? And certainly to the very fucked up ¨Rumour Mill¨that is in constant motion here in Iquitos… Please. Let it go. You have a membership. You are a member. Period!

360 Bill June 18, 2008 at 6:37 am

I have read this comment three times trying to find something I agree with, some common ground, and I found five sentences.

“Enough is enough. Let it go, let bygones be. Let’s move on.”

“Please. Let it go.”

Bill Grimes

361 Mike Collis June 18, 2008 at 6:48 pm

Well said Bill.

In your lastcomment Alan it appears that you are suggesting some sort of compromise.

Alan you are not in the loop. I was sitting across a table from Ryan yesterday in the prefectaria and I said to Ryan “We should try and sort something out”.

He replied ” There is nothing to talk about, there will be no compromise or negotiations”.

Its over Alan, we have controll and intend to keep it.

362 alan shoemaker June 18, 2008 at 11:45 pm

Well well well….
Seems that Mike has been a little out of control here. Seems that he got a paper that says he was living on Ryans´s land for 2 years….
Mike, what do you say about that?

363 Mike Collis June 19, 2008 at 10:47 am

Alan I do not have a piece of paper that says I have been living on the land for 2 years because I have’nt.

It would appear that I have to give you a little lesson in simple law.

In November 2006, I with my lawyer and the police peacefully and legally took posession of the clubhouse which I had demonstrated was funded by me and other investors. The law in Peru states that I needed to have posession of the property for a minimum of 72 hours. During those 72 hours Ryan along with 20+ armed men forced my people from the property. however one person stayed there in the clubhouse for the required 72 hours after which time he left. Since then I legally had posession but because of Ryan’s violent trespass we vacated the property untill the Superior Court gave me the adminstration of the property on 9th August 2007. Since then I have legally posessed and occupied the property. I never had to live there, but I had to by law have my representative live there, this has happened.

364 alan shoemaker June 27, 2008 at 8:42 pm

Hmmmm….
I just had a wonderful porkchop….¨Hiccup¨….etc….

Gave the bone to my Pekinese and the Shepard and they actually shared it without fighting. that´s a big ¨hiccup¨…
I´m so happy about that, because had they begun fighting, I´d certainly have to hire attorneys to fix it, and that problem is unending, as we all know.
Instead, the big dog and the little dog shared a bone…. That´s possible, I saw it, but I like waffles…
Wow… this is even boring me.
So still, the bottom line is the bottom line. Ryan owns the land, we will rent it, as agreed. That will happen, like it or not, in time.
But,…..
It would appear that you and Bill G. have registerd this golf course and land with the government here… and, thank you both, you allowed my name to be on the group of people that are members and allowed to play. I´ll do that when I get time. It also appears as if you also put the other persons that had previously paid for their memberships on the¨CAN PLAY¨ list but when looking at your ¨Register Publica¨ action, the only registered shareholders are you and Mike.
And seems also that ANYONE can play there, they just have to pay their greens fee. That includes the people that you put on your list, that are ¨members¨. So, wad’s up wid dat?
Is someone actually levying a golf tax?¿ Has someone actually stolen the golfcourse?¿
I am so happy we have gotten to the bottom of this.

I need a t-time.
Hiccup..

365 Mike Collis June 28, 2008 at 11:48 am

I think its about time that the fingers start pointing.

4 years ago we, together embarked on a great project , to build the first golf course in the peruvian amazon. Remember how excited we all were, how we used to meet every morning at the TYROT , laugh, tell jokes , we were all friends.
What happened ?
Why are we all hating each other ?
Why dont you golfers play golf ?
Why are there all those lawsuits flying around ?

Some blamed Mayeaux, including myself, others blamed the cold eyed missionary boy Andrews ,all wrong.

I’ll tell you who and why .

In the beginning of July 2004 after we have been working on the golf course for 4 months and we had about 15 members/investors someone said we needed to legalise the Amazon GolF Club, we all agreed , but its not easy writing a constitution for a club like ours. Sergio said he could do it and Ryan said he would help. After about a week, Sergio came back with Ryan and asked me,Gerald,Papa Dan,Maria Earls and Delmar to sign the constitution. “Hang about” I said, “Whats it say ? its all in spanish and its 42 pages long”. Ryan said “I have checked it over and its OK so you all need to sign it so it can be legally registered “. Gerald and Papa Dan were told this by Ryan so they know its true. On Ryan’s word we all signed the constitution and Sergio went off to register it. For safekeeping Ryan said he would look after the constitution and we never saw it again untill the end of March 2006 when all this shit began. The constitution was no good for our type of club and Ryan knew what he was doing.. I believe Sergio did not know but Ryan most certainly did.

Alan you know like the rest of us that Ryan is a very good chess player. He anticipated every move , he had the constitution written up wrong deliberately and kept it like a time bomb on a long fuse in his metal box untill the golf course was nearing completion and then he struck. He is a very cold, calculation crook he knew well before what trouble this would bring to our club, he planned it, he knew exactly what he was doing back in July 2004. His plan worked, the Amazon Golf Club is no more and we are all fragmented, our dream has turned into a nightmare.
What was the motive in the mind of the evil, manipulating , calculating cowardly bastard Ryan richards ?. He wanted to wait till the course was built, split us all up and take over the course.

Ryan I hope you are reading this you evil,crooked cowardly draft dodger, I hope you are pleased with your evil work. My Mother always told me that good always overcomes evil eventually, your day will surely come.

366 Alex Johnson July 1, 2008 at 12:46 am

Ok I have had enough of this bickering… I
Have been here for more than two years and you silly OLD GUYS can’t seem to come to terms with the fact that land is the dispute here!

What is this Israel?
Have you no shame?
A moron can see through this fiasco and it is doing nothing but hurting EVERYONE in the tourist industry financially!
The fact that tourism is down nearly 23 percent in the last two years (the same period of time as the Golf War has been raging) should be an
indicator that your bickering (and gabbing to tourists about a personal legal problem) is not only affecting you but the citizens of Iquitos in general.
Due to this crap everyone who comes here for more than a week is exposed to one side of the story or another and as far as
I am concerned… other than Ryan and Alan, you are all stroking your own ego’s… Sorry guys but that is the truth form an
outsider’s point of view.
There are things that I could say about each and every one of you and the lies you tell each other (and others) to try and make you
seem like the king of the hill (whoops! sorry… green!).

You each have a story that puts (misspelling and pun intended….pbbbbtttttt! oh you went to college??? SO WHAT!!!) you in the high position
oblivious to the damage you are all doing to the community as a whole.
Under the guise of ,”young idiot who lost his business to the very same forces that have caused the “GOLF WAR”, I have been
aware and following this unfolding (and rather pathetic) legal saga since day one.
Ryan is in the right and the rest of you should thank him!!!
Everyone who has enjoyed even one hole on the green owes Ryan a “thank you Mr. Richards for your hospitality…”
Forget how good a chess player the man may be… If you were aware of this then you should not have been so
utterly stupid as to have signed a 42 page (“42” by the way is answer t “Life the Universe and Everything”… coincidentally…) without
consulting a VERY GOOD TRANSLATOR!!!
Knowing full well the venomous (here’s to Ryan!!!) and jealous nature of the other “gringo” businessmen (see George Carlin RIP for more on them!)
I needed a small army of lawyers just to keep myself out of prison for stuff I never did!!!! Now poor Ryan
needs a small army of attorney’s for being
generous enough to say… “well, I’m only taking up a fraction of my own land so if you (vultures) would like I could
spare several hectares for your silly white collar game which no ecotourist would be caught DEAD playing…
though I would like a rent payment…” I know each and every one of you “*&*^%#$#^*

367 alan shoemaker July 1, 2008 at 10:20 pm

And why is it that this ¨new¨course has many listed as members, actually most of the members from the original club… but seems the ownership is just in the hands of Mike and Bill?
I´m a bit confused about how that breaks up… but certainly you will explain that to me, right?

368 Alex Johnson July 1, 2008 at 10:24 pm

(continued from 369)

369 alex johnson July 1, 2008 at 10:36 pm

(continued)

370 alan shoemaker July 1, 2008 at 10:38 pm

as you can see from the two above comments, Alex could not post here.. the 2nd half of what he had written… so let´s try it again:

From Alex:
(continued)

371 alan shoemaker July 1, 2008 at 10:52 pm

That´s strange… must be his ¨font¨. So here it is again: (I´m typing this for him on my computer because as you can see from the above, there´s some strange stuff….happening)….

(…insert your favorite derogatory term for ¨greedy a ..h ..! $) pathetic, those of you who think that. Mike, Bill, sorry, but I find this offensive to my friend Ryan, who everyone of you knows has the legal right to remain on this land. In your hearts you all know you are attempting a con, to further your own ends, yet, in the end it will be found that ¨Ryan Richards¨ has been the legal possessor of said land for many more years than you, trying to take his land, have even been in this country, and that being said… I´ll bet my business on it… (WHOOPS!!!! I already lost that), and you guys will too, but at least I had the sense to say… ¨I´ve had enought¨and walk away, while it seems as though you… OLD GUYS… think that a prolonged legal battle, (i.e. Money and LIES and BS BS BS) will be able to alter the truth which I and you, all know.

PS: A message from the generrrration after yours… GROW UP!!!!, and be grateful! You are facing the twilight… enjoy it, please do not fight because you are making me angry and I will not help any of you as long as you continue bickering….

Signed
The Next Gereration and Master of Marketing

Bye bye … kids.

372 Bill July 4, 2008 at 10:06 pm

I will not address childish ignorance Alex, but I do want to address middle age ignorance. Alan, perhaps you have not noticed that a prolonged legal battle is taking place to regain and protect the rights of 54 of the original investors against a small group of dishonest golfers whom you support, and have always supported. You never once tried to do anything to protect the rights of the other 54 investors. You continue to support the people that tried to disenfranchise the large majority.

Until the court cases are finished, we have established the best temporary system we know how. I encourage all of you to visit the List of Investor/Members Page on the Amazon Golf Course website. Near the bottom of that page is the Oversite Committee, Mike Collis, David Sheridan and Bill Grimes.

The purpose of the Oversight Committee:
1. To protect the investment of the founding investor/members.
2. To insure their best interests are represented.
3. To promote golf tourism.
4. To encourage the people of Iquitos to take up the sport of golf.

Bill Grimes

373 Mike July 5, 2008 at 10:31 am

Alex,
Your stupid ramblings caused me and some of the boys some ammusement , no more no less. Only one part warrents a reply, this part , and I quote ;

“Forget how good a chess player the man may be… If you were aware of this then you should not have been so utterly stupid as to have signed a 42 page (”42″ by the way is answer t “Life the Universe and Everything”… coincidentally…) without
consulting a VERY GOOD TRANSLATOR!!!”. End quote.

Stupid you say, yes Gerald, myself, Papa Dan, Maria Earls, Delmar de Aguila,
and Sergio all stupidly signed that document, without having it translated or consulting a lawyer.
Stupid yes, but not for signing the document but for believing that the snake Ryan was with us, was our friend, we stupidly thought he was honest. My God how stupid we were. Now we know Ryan for what he is, a liar, a cheat , an evil, calculating crook.

So there you are Alex , put that in your pipe and “smoke” it.

374 Steve Hudson July 6, 2008 at 10:44 am

I am Stephen Hudson from Birmingham, England. My friend Melvin and I both bought shares in the Amazon Golf Club. When I realised was was heppening over there in Peru I was really pissed off with the way some of our fellow investors led by this Mayeaux bloke robbed us of our investment. Melvin was very sick so i never told him, unfortunately Melvin passed away last December 26th.
Thank you Bill and Mike and others who fought for all those like me who could’nt be there to defend ourselves.
What I cannot understand Mike is why you have “flip flopped” . You said in a previous comment that any investor who joined the renagade group of thieves would be excluded from our new Amazon Golf Course when it is legally set up.
I have checked the list of Amazon Golf Course investors against the list of Amazon Golf and Country Club members and it seems you will allow some of these traitors to be part of our new club.

Why Mike ? Have you lost your mind ?

These people would, if you allowed them, would be investors of both clubs and therefore would be better off than any of us.

Do not flip flop Mike, you have done well so far , dont let yourself down now when its nearly over. Kick them out, all of them !

375 David Volkmann July 7, 2008 at 12:52 pm

I stand with Steve Hudson 100%.

Furthermore something that has never been mentioned is that the land the golf course sets on was worth only a couple of thousand dollars, at the most, when we built the golf course. Furthermore, there was a lot of land available to build this golf course on. I have 236 acres at KM 15. I would be glad to give the land that is necessary to the golf course FREE.

Here in the states nobody ever buys land for a golf course. It is given to them free. Why? Because the land around it becomes so much more valuable that it more than compensates for the land that is lost. I am sure there has been times when landowners not only give the land free but kick in some money to boot.

376 david sheridan July 7, 2008 at 5:48 pm

I kind of agree with you Steve and Dave V. Kind of. Only problem is I think it possible that a few went along for the ride not knowing what the deal was. Maybe I just want to believe that and maybe it is true. Many people in life just “hang” and go along for the ride. I hope that pertains to some that may have been, let’s say, “misguided”.

As far as ownership, I have a lawsuit going. Most of you know that, some do not. If you might check you will see that the lawsuit was filed to, quote, “protect the rights of all the original members” (end quote). And I have spent many thousands of dollars in legal fees, related costs and expenses doing so. So has Bill Grimes and Mike. I am optimistic. But who knows. It could all be for naught. If you want the straight scoop and are in Iquitos, go have a chat with Bill Grimes. I believe most will concur he is an honorable man and will answer any question you might have. Yes, Mike, Bill and I makeup the oversight committee. Read again the purpose and why there is such a committee. FOR THE MEMBERS!!!! The three of us have been attempting to recover an organization. Not for ourselves, for us!!! Bill and I do not even play golf. If the land was sold tomorrow the value would not even pay us back. Think about this before you criticize. GET INVOLVED!!!!!!!!!

377 Mike Collis July 7, 2008 at 6:47 pm

Dave you are right some of those who abandoned us and signed up with Gerald’s new outfit did’nt really know what was going on and God knows what they were told. There are included in that group howevcer a few who knew exactly what was going on and what was going to happen, ” A lot of innocent investors were going to loose out”. I believe it is those who should be barred and they know who they are.

378 David Volkmann July 9, 2008 at 4:24 pm

Mike they maybe didn’t know then, but they surely do now. The 15 or 16 of them can denounce there affiliation with Geralds club anytime they want. But instead your allowing them to be in both clubs except for 3 or 4.

379 Winston Riley August 9, 2008 at 4:15 pm

I’m disappointed that I don’t have the stamina or time to read every word here. It is curious, that when you go the website for the golf course, all seems to be at peace. Since reading the other site and now much of this one, a question keeps coming back to me. Are “members” necessarily in control? I glanced at the constitution, but my guess is that the definition of member, member rights and any terminology about “owners, or board member duties, etc” may spell out the facts of the case, regardless of what any “ruling” will determine.

Another thing which intrigues me, it seems as long as “players,” let’s say Bill and Alan for instance (I think you play don’t you Bill?), get to play without threat of being hauled off as trespassers, then regardless of all the posts and accusations, the only people who will benefit while this thing is “tied” up in litigation are the golfers. So hell, the golfers have the edge…

Now I doubt if anyone will be “hauled” off by authorities for quite some time unless corruption of the local police force is as widespread as it is in let’s say the rest of the civilized world, to include certain burroughs in New York City, because there seems to be ambiguity as to who has legal rights to the benefits of the golf course.

One could say that the website seems to distinguish some recognizable names by calling them “sponsors”–Mike Collis
Iquitos Times

David Sheridan
UWL Company

Peter Schneider
Amazon Rainforest Lodge

Bill Grimes
Dawn on the Amazon
The Captain’s Blog

David Volkmann

Shawn Saulnier

Carsten Korch
Living in Peru

Steve McAlear
Escorted Amazon Holidays

Richard Guest

Alan Sinfield

Bogata Brent

Does the constitution or by-laws recognize or distinguish or define the role of sponsor?

As an innocent by-stander (no connection to the individual who used it as an Avatar on the previous blog) I am very curious about some of Alan’s inuendo about “Who really was trying to steal the golf course?”

Can someone shed some light on this to me, just a poor slob who has started late on this soap opera but has found he has yet one more addiction? (I call it a Jones for Discovering How the Amazon Golf Course was Won).

Peace to you brothers. You guys seem to have way too much time on your hands…what a wonderful asset!

380 Bill August 9, 2008 at 5:14 pm

Hello Winston, I can help “shed some light” on a couple of points. I do not play golf, and I do not
have any time on my hands. Members is not the correct term. We are more than members, we are investors. I am sure you will agree there is a big difference. Sponsors donated extra money or labor to help construct the Amazon Golf Course. The investors, (more than members) have controlled the Amazon Golf Course for one year today. None of the so called “golfers” have played a round for one year. The Amazon Golf Course is owned by the investors, not the “golfers”, so of course all is peace and light.

And may peace be with you also;
Bill Grimes

381 Mike Collis August 10, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Its been a year now since the courts gave us posession of the golf course.

Its been a year now since those thieving bastards last played golf.

Its been year now since they stole all the machinery and golfing equipment from the course.

382 Mike September 11, 2008 at 11:11 am

2 LONG YEARS IT TOOK, 2 LONG YEARS FOR THE FORENSIC SCIENCE LAB IN LIMA TO EVENTUALLY SAY THAT MY SIGNATURE ON THE DOCUMENT DISOLVING THE AMAZON GOLF CLUB AND HANDING IT OVER TO MAYEAUX WAS 100% FORGED. I TOLD THEM ALL ALONG IT WAS’NT MY SIGNATURE. NOW THEY ARE REALLY GOING TO THROW THE BOOK AT MAYEAUX.

HEY MAYEAUX, MAKE IT EASY ON YOURSELF, MAKE A CLEAN BREAST OF IT, TELL THE POLICE WHO PLANNED IT ALL, COS I KNOW YOU AINT GOT THE BRAINS, TELL EM WHO FORGED MY SIGNATURE AND PAPA DAN’S SIGNATURE AND MARIA EARLS SIGNATURE TELL EM MAYEAUX.

THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS “HONOR AMONGST THIEVES” TELL THE POLICE MAYEAUX OR YOUR 3 OTHER CO-CONSPIRITORS, THE SNAKE MAN, THE BLUE EYED MISSIONARY BOY AND YOUR LAP DOG SCURGIO WILL WALK AWAY FROM THIS SHIT AS PURE AS THE DRIVEN SNOW, AND JUST WATCH, AS YOU GO DOWN THE TUBES.

383 Wally Lloyd September 12, 2008 at 4:33 pm

The rumour from the Court is that Ryan bought the golf course for $5-00
Wally.

384 Mike collis October 2, 2008 at 6:41 pm

No its not true, I DO NOT HAVE LEGAL POSESSION OF THE GOLF COURSE; NOR AM I LIKELY TO GET IT:

385 Ken Lampit October 9, 2008 at 11:11 am

Where is the Iquitos Scoundrel Mayeaux ?

386 Mike Collis October 30, 2008 at 10:35 am

I was watching CNN this morning and I saw the President of Afganistan and the US military chief proposing talks with the Taliban The US chief said
“Very few wars end without reconciliation”. I got to thinking.

We have the golf course now and we will keep it.

BUT I propose an amnesty for ALL except Mayeaux and Andrews the 2 architects of this so called “Golf War”. I said “All”.

Lets get together and fulfill our dream and have a great golf course here in the amazon. Enough is enough lets move forward.

I know some wont agree with me.

WHAT DO YOU SAY ?

SPEAK YOUR MIND ON THIS BLOG; NOW !

387 John October 30, 2008 at 11:15 am

Hey Mike I have been out of touch for a while now I heard of the Golf course from you, I sent you my money, I will back your position on this decision.
Kind Regards
John Wilkens

388 david sheridan October 30, 2008 at 11:21 am

Mike,
In my comment 379 and your 380, we reference those who were, perhaps, misguided. We do know, however, as you injected, some other than the “gang of three” knew what the “coupe” meant to the disenfranchised members. As such, therefore, I suggest strongly that each of those to whom you refer be taken on a case by case basis. I have usually been somewhat of a forgive and forget type. But I also believe that a getaway car driver may not have performed the deed of bank robbery, but if the robbery was a success, was glad to spend the stolen loot. Does that mean that none of those so called “members” of the fraudulent club were duped? No. Some were, yet some were very aware, as you stated in your post 380. Case by case is my vote.

389 Chris Todd October 30, 2008 at 3:16 pm

You really are mad Mick.

Do you really want to let the foxes back into the chicken coop ?

390 Carsten October 30, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Dear Mike,

I agree with David Sheridan and believe it is time to start develop the Amazon Golf Course.

Carsten

391 David Volkmann October 31, 2008 at 4:34 pm

Mike,
What do I say? Has someone asked for “amnesty”? Has anyone said they were wrong or sorry? I always forgive anyone that says they are sorry for doing me wrong and tries to make restitution.

392 Alan Sinfield October 31, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Hello fellow bloggers, I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself, my name is Alan Sinfield. Some of you I know well and consider close friends, some of you know of me and me you and others I do not know at all (in some such case thank Augustus). I have been visiting Iquitos for over 13 year now and absolutely love the city and people. Over the years, I have done my best to help the locals and tourism alike. I am a proud sponsor of the Amazon Golf course (as it stands today). This is my first entry in the blog although I have been following the activity for sometime now. I am not entrenched in the politics of golf course, I am not involved in the courtroom situations in fact, I do not even play golf. I find it somewhat a shame that former friends, who collectively had the vision to make such a wonderful dream, come true and build a golf club in the middle of the jungle, are no longer friends. I have visited the club and it is just fantastic, you can read my account regarding my first visit to the club at http://amazongolfcourse.com/. Those golfers out there who have never been to Iquitos before, but might be thinking of coming, I strongly suggest you bring your clubs…you will not be disappointed. To those of you reading the activity on this blog it should become quickly apparent and quite transparent who stands for helping tourism and promoting the golf club and those who have selfish ulterior motives. Bill Grimes and Mike Collis are two of the most honest unselfish individuals around, read their comments and stack them up against some of the moronic comments on the blog

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